The Trinity - 1 Yet 3 - Makes Human Family-Love-Relationships Possible

The Trinity is all about Love. The Trinity is heart-warming. It is the Trinity
that makes human loving family relationships possible , , , but first let is
"get the math out of the way."

All orthodox Christians are Trinitarians, that is, we believe there is one God
who exists in three Persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit..

Unfortunately many people get bogged down in the seemingly mathematical
contradiction involved in 1 yet 3.

Forget trying to solve the 1 yet 3 thingy -- that's impossible to solve. Why?
Because there is nothing on this earth comparable to 1 yet 3. Here on the
1 yet 3 truth, we must rely only on revealed truth {revelation .. the Bible}.
God says He is 1 yet 3 and therefore God is 1 yet 3.

Now to the heart-warming elements of the Holy Trinity:
{as a human being you can warmly relate to all that follows}

Within the Holy Trinity there is the following:

■ Family -- the Three separate Persons are Family. They function like a Family.

■ Love -- the Three separate Persons love each other dearly.

■ Communication and conversation -- the Three separate Persons talk to each
other in loving relationships.

■ Family Relationships -- the Three separate Persons immensely enjoy their
I -You relationship.

■ Close friendship and close fellowship -- the Three Persons enjoy their
close friendship relationships. They are Friends.

We were made in God's image and this is why we all crave all that up
there also. God desires all the above. We also desire all the above. We
humans crave love and friendship and loving family relationships because
we are made in the image of God and that image is in us forever.

{By the way, there is a difference in WHAT and WHO.
God is 1 yet 3 in His BEING. His being is WHAT He is.
God is 1 yet 3 in PERSONS. His Personhood is WHO He is.}

Back to Love and Family Relationships , , ,

We are capable of loving our family members because God is a Family --
a Family of 3. We are made in His image. If God were 1 in 1, instead of
1 yet 3, we would be incapable of enjoying loving family relationships.

The fact that God is 1 yet 3 is what makes us social creatures who crave love
and friendship and loving family relationships. We were made in the image of
God.

By the way, God, as early as Genesis, said let US make man in OUR image
and in OUR likeness. Genesis 1:26. We understand from the New Testament
that Genesis 1:26 was an early reference to the Holy Trinity.

These three remain: Faith, Hope, and Love. But the greatest of these is Love.

JAG

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You need faith because there is no evidence that your delusion has any link to reality.

You need hope because things seldom go right for you in a consistent manner.

 

JAG:

Not only is Christendom's Trinity a mathematical contradiction, is it is mathematical impossibility.

Alter2Ego

 

JAG:

Your cherry-picked verse from Genesis 1:26 does not prove a 3-in-1 god. In fact, at the time Jehovah said at Genesis 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR image," there were millions of angelic sons in heaven with him. He was talking to one of those angels.

The angel he was speaking to was identified later in Scripture as his only-begotten son, Jesus Christ.

Alter2Ego

 

You didn't read what I said carefully.
I said this:

"By the way, God, as early as Genesis, said let US make man in OUR image
and in OUR likeness. Genesis 1:26. We understand from the New Testament
that Genesis 1:26 was an early reference to the Holy Trinity." ___JAG

If all we had was Genesis 1:26, we would have no doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

Best.

JAG


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We need faith to know you're real and that you're not an entity of negativity.

Yeah! It's me!

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The Holy Spirit is God's Love that binds everything and everyone. He is what enters our hearts, comforts us and makes us pure and holy so we can reunite with God in His Realm. The Kingdom of God is within us. It's God's dimension, not ours.


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Since you believe in imaginary characters, how do you know that I am not an angel with 6 wings or a ghost? I could even be the God that you believe in who is testing you.

 

There's one Godhead with 3 distinct and separate personages. The Father, the Son and The Holy Ghost. They are not one person. They are one in purpose. They "agree in one." Jesus didn't tell himself the he was pleased in himself. That would be Narcissistic. It had to be this way. I mean, who was minding the store when Jehovah came off his throne and spent 33 years on earth? Your concept of the Trinity makes zero sense. But, the rest of your writing was nice...

 

By considering your mind the totality of comprehension of what is and what isn't possible, your ego denies you the existence of a Divine Order that transcends physics and the natural order. Personally, I can't see it otherwise. This is why Jesus said that God's Kingdom is within us, since it's something we can only experience by opening our minds, never by blocking Him out.

As for the Holy Trinity, you said it is a contradiction, but it's a contradiction only within man's 'finite' mind. If God was Monadic and not Triadic, there would be no extension of God's Love, and therefore there would be no relationships. Yet our very existence consists of relationships and the Love emanating from God's Holy Spirit that connects and binds everything and everyone.

Well I do see you as an entity of negativity and disruption. But you have no power, Jesus rules. +

Y E A H !​

 

Yup, you get it.

The Father is not the Son or the Holy Ghost, but he is part of the Godhead.
The Son is not the Father or the Holy Ghost, but he is part of the Godhead.
The Holy Ghost is not the Father or the Son, but he is part of the Godhead.

The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (three separate personages) are jointly called "God" (as they are all members of the Godhead, but they are "one" since they are in perfect agreement with each other) ... This one "God" (or Godhead) is what the Christian worships.

The one true Church (true believers in Christ during this Church Age) is the Bride of Christ, and when the time is right, Jesus will call his Bride to join him for the wedding feast and to spend an eternity ruling and reigning with him in the coming kingdom on Earth.

 

The reset and one world order will be hindered by WWIII, according to recent Greek Saints. A leader with the stature of Constantine the Great will appear after the war and unite Christianity, and the Gospel will be spread throughout the world. Then there will be about 3 decades of peace before the antichrist appears.

The warning signs of the eminent war will be the fall of Erdogan, (he's having trouble), the closing of the Bosporus to Russian ships by the new leader, (big mistake), and the bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities by Israel. (Netanyahu said he will bomb if Biden goes back to the previous agreement).

 

I could be wrong.... I very often am.......
and it often takes Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and / or the Holy Spirit and / or the Ancient of Days the Heavenly Father.....
five..... ten.... fifteen years or more to show me my errors and stupidities..... but.......

even after all these years I still take this basic idea quite seriously?????????


Could the Holy Spirit - Holy Ghost = God the Mother?




http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

a NEAR death experiencer in Uganda wrote the following that reminds me of what you just wrote?????

My apologies in advance for his lack of political correctness........ but near death experiencers just pass on what they were shown.... with virtually no fear......

I see no contradiction at all with:
www.sordrescue.com/

Are near death experience accounts that have a genuine Life Review with Jesus a big part of the fulfillment of:


http://www.drbo.org/chapter/50016.htm


[25] These things I have spoken to you in proverbs. The hour cometh, when I will no more speak to you in proverbs, but will shew you plainly of the Father.



Is the Being of Light of NDE fame who reviews our lives with us during a brush with death the same as......



http://www.drbo.org/chapter/30006.htm



[6] For my angel is with you: And I myself will demand an account of your souls.

 

I agree 100% with what you said.

I thought I made myself clear on that:

JAG Previously wrote in the OP:
"All orthodox Christians are Trinitarians, that is, we believe there is one God
who exists in three Persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.."__JAG

Thank you.

Best.

JAG

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Regarding the Holy Spirit being Feminine:

Miscellaneous Points.

{1} It is unthinkable that females, roughly 50% of the Human Race,
are not fully represented in the Godhead --- because the human race,
as a species {male and female}, was made in the image of God.


{2} However, speculation that the Holy Spirit as a Person is Feminine is, in my
view, opening an unnecessary can of worms. The Bible presents the Holy Spirit
in the masculine gender --a least ALL the some 60 major English translations
of the Bible refer to the Holy Spirit using masculine pronouns.

So?

So all of Christendom's best and brightest in the area of Greek, Aramaic,
and Hebrew translation work -- believe that the original languages say that
he Holy Spirit is masculine.

So?

So its clear that the God who inspired the Bible desires us to think of the
Three Persons in the God head in the masculine gender.

It would have been "easy as pie" for God to inspire His Prophets and Apostles
to tell us that the Holy Spirit is Feminine. But God did NOT do that. And He
has His reasons.

(3{ Read my number {1} up there again -- and think about what I actually said
in my number {1}. , , , , You should like it.

{4} We simply do not know what we will be like, gender wise, in Heaven.
We may be Unisex, that is, a perfect blend of Male-Female. I do not
know and I do NOT hold that to be true. It may well NOT be true.
I am speculating here -- pure speculation.

In Heaven we may forever be either fully male or fully female.

By the way, as an aside , , ,

{5} Jesus said there would be no marriage in Heaven. Jesus did NOT say
there would be no procreation in Heaven. There can be other ways to
procreate besides sexual means. We do not know that the angels do not
procreate. I am NOT suggesting there is or will be sex in Heaven. I merely
say we do not, and can not, know that sexual means are required for
procreation. There can be other ways to procreate.

By the way, why do we need procreation? Because of the size of the
Universe. My assumption is that the Universe was created to be inhabited
by intelligent beings -- and so that would seem to require procreation of some
kind. The size of the Universe requires trillions to the power of trillions, of
intelligent beings to populate it -- in fact we do not know that the Universe
is finished being created -- for all we know, for a fact, God could be adding
galaxies to the Universe every day. God is BIG. I once read a book titled
Your God Is To Small -- the point being, no matter how BIG you think God
is -- He is BIGGER that you can even imagine.

God told Abraham and His other hero's of the Faith, that He would make their
offspring as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the grains of sand on the
seashores and as numerous as the dust of the earth -- and THAT requires
trillions to the power of trillions.

Again, I'm speculating here --moreorless.

Best.

JAG


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Just throwing out some musings. I believe that certain entities that are considered male have feminine qualities. For example, the Hindu Trimurti is equivalent to the Trinity. It seems to be a one-to-one correlation. Yahweh = Brahma, Jesus = Shiva, Vishnu = Holy Spirit. Both Vishnu and the Holy Spirit are considered male entities, but they have female attributes (and I don’t mean physical). Vishnu is the preserver. The Holy Spirit is the nurturer. I would consider both as famine traits. “preserver” could have two aspects to it. “Preserve” as in defending it from external forces and as in caring for it from the inside. To defend falls more to Shiva or Brahma and nurturing falls with Vishnu. The same in the Trinity.

I think that Hinduism and Judaism evolved from the same parent religion (no not Islam). I think we see this parent religion in the first 11 chapters of Genesis. They were not Jews or even Israelites. I think the span of time between the Tower of Babel and Abraham is greater than most think. It is my belief that the story of Noah occurred 10-12 thousand years ago as the world was coming out of the Younger-Dryas and Adam & Eve was 200k years ago. This one religion was the religion of Abraham’s father, and then GOD called Abraham to go to create a new nation.

Male and Female have two separate aspects. There is the physical, biological difference and then there is the spiritual/attribute difference. They are very closely tied. We all share parts of both. When the sex of the fetus has been determined, then it becomes “washed” in the appropriate hormones. But even after that, we retain certain levels of the other. Hence, part of my avatar acknowledges that. Just for convention, say males are 80% male and 20% female and likewise, females are 80% female and 20% male. Now, with the population approaching 8 billion (and the planet could probably handle much more if the growth is slow and steady), the odds get good at seeing mutations pop up (and I don’t mean in a bad way – it’s just the way life works). Given that, don’t you suspect that a male could be 70% male and 30% female? The variations are endless. But you will eventually come across situations where a male will have 20% male (the physical body) and 80% female. And they will identify as female. Again, because of population growth, this situation arises more often. And there is nothing wrong with that. It has brought on the concepts of Preference and Identity. I’m perfectly fine with those concepts. The world today is not the same as it was in the past. Some (small amount) of change is always imminent.

The writings of Paul make up a major portion of the New Testament. Paul “got it”! He knew and understood who Jesus is. But he was also just a man with frailties. In the case of homosexuality, his xenophobia put them in a bad light. I think he might have misunderstood the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?? Homosexuality was not allowed in a small community because GOD’s first commandment was to be fruitful and multiply. Homosexuality violated that commandment. So it was bad then. But in today’s heavily populated world, is it not more of a sin to overwhelm resources with another mouth? With hygiene having better standards, that very first commandment is no longer valid. Perhaps at some point in the future, it will be required again??

 

Orthodox Christians like Catholics and the Protestant creeds on the Trinity believe that the 3 are not separate personages. They believe that the one personage God manifests himself into 3 different beings and can do so at the same time. But, the Bible doesn't agree. In Genesis, the plurality of the Godhead is manifested in the plureal "us" and "we." Man is made in "Our" image. So, the 3 personages are separate beings with one in purpose. Separate bodies and personalities.

 

When you read the Christian Creeds starting with the Constantine Creed of the Catholic Church, do you get the sense that they believe the Father isn't not the Son? I don't. I get the understanding that they believe the Father can divide up into two other personages. Kind of like in Superman 3 where his evil inner person came out in the human form he is. Except, in this case, the inner persons came out as good personages like he is.

 

I disagree with that.
My view is that orthodox Christians, by which I mean Bible believing Christians,
DO believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are Three separate Persons.

Here is one example:
The Joel Osteen Ministries: What We Believe.

Start quote.
"We believe , , ,
… in one God who exists in three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
We believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came to this earth as Savior
of the world. End quote.
What We Believe | Joel Osteen Ministries

No orthodox Bible believing Christians believe that.

Agreed.

Agreed.

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The Father is Spirit and does not have a body.
Neither does the Holy Spirit ---
at least I know of no Bible verse that teaches God the Father
or the Holy Spirit are in physical bodies.

Best.

JAG


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My personal view of many of the so-called "thinkers" in the Roman Catholic Church
is that they are Religious Philosophical Academic Talking Heads that would serve
Christ better if they relaxed their brains and spent their time standing
on the corner preaching John 3:16 -- here is just one example of that.

Start quote.
In order to understand the concept of person in God, we have to understand its foundation in the processions and relations within the inner life of God. And the Council of Florence, AD 1338-1445, can help us in this regard.

The Council’s definitions concerning the Trinity are really as easy as one, two, three… four. It taught there is one nature in God, and that there are two processions, three persons, and four relations that constitute the Blessed Trinity. The Son “proceeds” from the Father, and the Holy Spirit “proceeds from the Father and the Son.” These are the two processions in God. And these are foundational to the four relations that constitute the three persons in God. These are those four eternal relations in God:

1. The Father actively and eternally generates the Son, constituting the person of God, the Father.
2. The Son is passively generated of the Father, which constitutes the person of the Son.
3. The Father and the Son actively spirate the Holy Spirit in the one relation within the inner life of God that does not constitute a person. It does not do so because the Father and Son are already constituted as persons in relation to each other in the first two relations. This is why CCC 240 teaches, “[The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity] is Son only in relation to his Father.”
4. The Holy Spirit is passively spirated of the Father and the Son, constituting the person of the Holy Spirit.

End quote
Explaining the Trinity | Catholic Answers

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I am with you on the Holy Trinity.

Best.

JAG


PS
But I do NOT dislike Catholics and I consider them my brothers in Christ,
even though I am a Protestant.

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You and I agree on this below, right?

 

JAG:

There are no scriptures in God's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible, that support Christendom's 3-in-1 god aka Trinity. So your above suggestion, that there are more scriptures besides Genesis 1:26 that support the Trinity doctrine, is nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.

In other words, not only does Genesis 1:26 not support Christdom's Trinity, there are absolutely no scriptures in the Judeo-Christian Bible that support the Trinity dogma, not when one pays attention to context (surrounding words, verses, and chapters).

Alter2Ego

 

How about the Trune God? One guy with 3 dimensions.
His Spirit is part of HIm. And, His Son is the essence of Him the Father.
So, basically it is One, I am Because I am.
Maybe it was Him in the body of YahShua walking on Earth, Proving His Devotion to His Creation and catching us all in the sin of murdering Him, every time we reject His Word/Voice and do what we want to do instead.

Oh, and in the case of Denis Tate, Cyrus rebuilt the temple. King Herod the Edomite tore it down

YahShua's Temple is His believers/overcomers of Edom's Talmudic doctrines.
It is His Wife, Aryan Christian Israel cleansed and in Harmony with Her Husband.

As for some kind of "Jewish Nirvana" there is no such thing and never will be.
It is Esau Edom who usurped the name Yehuda and turned it into Jew.
And it was them that replaced YahShua with Jesus......which means in Greek pronunciation un-faithful seducing pig, which is exactly how the leaven of the Pharisees sees the King of kings, YahShua... meaning Yahveh Saves.

Oh, regarding "...us make man in our image" There is no us and no our in the original Armaic for that particular passage.

 

The "trinity" isn't really a direct biblical concept. It's more like a logically extrapolated idea, (allegedly) implicit in the scriptures.

I'm not sure if this idea, at least in its entirety, is really essential to Christianity.
It does seem to make things a little overly complicated.