U.S. Education Rankings Are Falling Behind the Rest of the World

That started on Jan 20, 2017 as I understand it, about 12:01PM.

 

So you want to give kids the same credits for hard math as some get for easy math? How’s that going to raise test scores?

 

This is what happens when there is no competition. Poor performance is rewarded with the same rate of pay as high performance. Schools enjoy a monopoly in their districts. Low income parents can always risk committing enrollment fraud for using their friends address!

 

Why do other nations not have this issue?

 

Take more drastic measures like fire their ass's, like the companies I/we all grew up working for..

 

Well it has been said time and time again, education starts in the home! So you run with that, although I'd imagen most on the left would simply consider them all, as you put it "American students to stupid" as Republican kids, am I right

 

I could definitely agree with this. I went to both public school and private academics — while there were some great teachers in public schools the majority were abysmal while the opposite was true in academy. We will need to increase their pay to attract top talent and then terminate non-performers.

We need to do something similar to another underpaid profession, police.

 

A link to the source would be nice to see what there definitions for their legend are never mind how the data was tabulated.

 

I went six and a half years parochial and it took all of six more years of public school to make as dumb as I am today... Well that and bay area hippies and drugs, but I eventually blended in with the majority of those idiots

 

it doesn't hold back the kids who catch on easy and slows down the pace for kids who need more time.

 

I wasn’t say thing American kids are too stupid. It was a question as to why the other poster felt Americans could not handle similar curriculum to that of the rest of the world.

 

From what I saw in CA and now here in NM, schools just want to move kids on to the next grade and then out the door. I'm imagining with the shut downs because of the virus it will get worse. Back when I went to school they didn't hesitate making a kid repeat a grade if he couldn't pass.

 

I left public school testing at the same level I had entered it three years prior and was still top 10. Thankfully I finished up the last few years back private. It is quite sad.

 

Actually you had it right Bro

I can only speak for myself mind you, but once I turned fifteen and bought my first Honda 90 I was to cool for school I spent most my time wading in the waters of Monterey Bay and Santa Cruz beach and boardwalk..

Good times, wouldn't change a thing..

 

Good question. Our system is based on ensuring income/pensions for teachers/staff and protecting cash flow for the many government contracts. Students are not the priority.

There is some good news. Charter schools are popping up and giving the unions a run for the money. Of course, they face strong opposition as they are a threat to the existing monopoly.

One charter school here in L.A. had graduates crossing the stage that would have never made it otherwise. Teen mom, recovering addicts, homeless. etc.

Competition is better for students.

 

I went in to public straight A's finally dropped out with incompletes.. Then again I got broadsided on Xmas day on a 305 honda and was laid up 3 three months in traction, three month in a body cast from toes to tits and then another three months on crutch's.. School was pretty much over at that point. Once I could walk without a crutch I went to work and finally moved to Wyoming where any dummy can make killer bucks without an education

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320592136_The_many_faces_of_the_learning_crisis

A lot of info in this paper. Interesting is also the comparison of the distributions of outcomes for different countries. No un-expected, the distribution for the US is pretty wide, indicating a large disparity in educational achievement. That's my feeling as to why the US is falling behind. It's not because the high achievers are getting worse, it's because the tail is getting longer.

 

Trickle down does work lmao. It’s a tried and proven process. Could there be better? Sure. But to pretend it doesn’t work at all is nonsensical. Throwing money at education doesn’t work though, simply throwing money at anything is the liberal way and this is proof that’s genuinely stupid. Culture is where improvements start.

 

The teachers are under no risk of losing their jobs. They couldn't care less what blame comes their way.

 

Competition is better for most things.

 

Astounding the liberals in this thread completely ignoring one of the biggest of not the biggest factor in education. Culture.

No amount of money you throw at education, no amount of policy change, no amount of fallaciously pretending the take a deeper look at things will fix this issue. American liberalism and most of the western worlds liberalism are not the same. Culture in the us has shifted slowly but surely over the last decades to a place where art, and fake social justice issues take precedence over education. Where students aren’t allowed to progress forward with better education programs despite demonstrating the capability if they aren’t diverse enough. This is an issue that will only be solved with a culture change.

nothing else you do will make a large enough change. This is a cultural issue first and foremost. Anything else we do may have small
Impacts that coupled with a culture change could show great benefits. But without the culture change, you are doing nothing.

 

I agree emphatically with this statement, "The US spends more per student than almost every other nation but gets way worse results."

It makes my fingertips hurt as I remember the many, many posts I've written about what miserably inadequate piece of total SH!T our public school systems have been for more than the past thirty years!

A very great deal of the blame lies with hyperliberal school boards, teachers' unions, and America-hating radical 'educators' who have infested the entire public education system in the United States.

But, yes, another large part of the blame is PARENTS, and, dare I say it, the students themselves! Without going into lengthy tear-jerking raptures about the downfall of 'the American Family', etc., etc., I'll just recall the old saying --

 

Then they get the same diploma with some kids doing much harder work. Participation trophy?

 

Thank you i will look it over... I hate unsourced charts.

 

We dont agree on a lot, but this I do agree with a lot of.

Bill Maher had a great segment on this on his show last friday with Meghan Kelly. His was more about the new teachings of "racism" and having children rate themselves on the "racism scale". Things like that have no place in public education. We could each pick and choose things that they teach that we would agree on, and then there will be things we disagree on. But in totality I think they have gone off the rails in that everything has to be for everybody, or nobody. The education system in this country is broken, and has been broken for a long time. Hell, my son graduated last year, and they basically graded everyone in his class on a scale, and half of them were dumber than a stump, and had 3.8-4 GPA's. They published their GPA's in the program and NOBODY was below a 3. 700 students and nobody was below a 3 ? c'mon......