White supremacy a 'transnational threat', U.N. chief warns

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    No, we do not.
     
  2. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm always leery of people who use the word "we" as if they are speaking of everyone. Especially so if they are including me in their "we".

    If by "we" you are simply speaking for yourself, by all means, go ahead and get started feeding, clothing, and housing everyone.

    I'm not sure how exactly that will address the problems that were caused by people not being able to feed, cloth, and house themselves, but I expect those problems aren't even on your radar.

    The local knowledge problem, Dunning-Kruger, and not knowing what you don't know all make it easy enough to ignore...
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't mind it when referring to "humanity" but I detest it when referring to national events such as, "We beat the Nazis" or "We brought democracy to Irak".

     
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  4. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lockdowns are the trolley problem in action.

    But with lockdowns you don't know how many people are on the track you're switching to and you never have to take responsibility for them after they get squished.
     
  5. a better world

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    Er... you said it took 30,000 years to figure it out...I presume you meant human beings...ie "we"

    That's why we - people - have a national economy, to develop resources and prosper....."in order to form a more perfect union...."

    It's exactly what I am addressing. And scientists all the way from Pythagoras to Einstein, plus the labor of all of us along the way, have made it possible.

    Though we have to ditch the delusional "sovereignty of the individual" ideology which is still entrenched in some quarters...

    ...just like your mate doombug, who says "we don't have the technology to house, clothe, and feed - and employ - everyone". Talk about "not knowing what you don't know... "
     
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    Different turds, same toilet.
     
  7. a better world

    a better world Well-Known Member

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    Don't worry, no-one wants your money ( "trickle down poverty" ....)
     
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    Nonsense. In a pandemic you know people HAVE to stay away from one another. Except for isolated essential workers.

    There is no trolley track involved, except in your economic ideology. .

    There need be NO trade-off between the economy and saving lives.

    As we would all have discovered if covid was really, really nasty, and Jerome Powell had been forced to print trillions to enable all unemployed workers to be fed and housed during an extended enforced lock-down (for a full year or more...) due to a really nasty virus, not this covid thing which some people still don't think is real....(though it has claimed half a million lives). And which Texas has decided to thumb its nose at...
     
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    And counting?

    But I thought Joe had a plan.

    Was that just another false bill of goods he sold you? How are those 2000 Bidenbux spending right now?
     
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    Texas is sick of the hysterical fearmongering, and they're going to stop allowing the lives and educations of their children to be ruined so the teachers can keep enjoying their extended part-time-job vacations.

    True stripes are being shown.

    Healthcare workers are the true hard-working heroes of covid, and teachers are the lazy, self-serving covid cowards.

    History will remember who stepped up and handled the pandemic, and who hid in their homes and whined and cried about the importance their own self preservation.

    Heroes.

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    And drama queens.

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  11. a better world

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    Biden's plan is to vaccinate ASAP. My comments relate to saving as many lives as possible from the start of a pandemic, before a vaccine is available.
     
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    You are failing to recognize the historical occupation of Islamic lands by the despised (British and American) "crusaders", and its role in engendering Islamic terrorism, or struggle against the 'infidels', as seen by Muslims, continuing even into our times.

    I'm always willing to face facts. I also like to understand causes. Take the CIA backed overthrow of the first popularly -elected socialist leader in Iran in modern times, Mosaddegh (1953). By that act, modernity was snuffed out in Iran before it was established, plunging the nation back into an Islamic dark age. Take the murder of peacemaker Rabin by a fundamentalist jewish ***kwit, which destroyed the Palestinian-Israeli peace process.

    The point is Christian, Jewish and Islamic fundamentalists are all of the same stripe; and in the US, Christian fundamentalists vote for Trump ....like that young American gal effusing "pro-life, pro-gun, pro-god, and pro-Trump"*** yesterday at the conservative rally.

    *** I wonder where the 'Prince of Peace', Jesus Christ, stands in her creed.....

    But back to "white supremacists", what is their gripe?

    My argument is the view that poverty is self-inflicted, common on the Right, itself engenders black resentment, and denies the reality of economic injustice as manifested in high poverty, unemployment and incarceration rates among blacks.

    As I said, I'm always willing to look at the facts. Re blacks in particular, Trumpy put it well in 2016 (when he was chasing votes); "You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones,...." etc, etc.

    But Trump's solution was to blame China - and even some allies, for the economic dysfunction in the US.
     
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    But she's right..she can teach from a computer, but not from a casket.
     
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    LOL! Wrong.
     
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    Good for Texas.

    Don't worry soon there will be a decentralized digital currency used worldwide and the money printing will come to a screeching halt. Perhaps dollars can take the place of toilet paper.
     
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    Actually she can be replaced by a computer so why is she needed in the first place?
     
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    Abbott's thanks for healthcare workers saving his life in 1984 and all the help they still give him is to take some of their lives. I have nothing but contempt for that maggot.
     
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    I obviously don't believe humanity has discovered the solution to death.

    We have an economy because markets exist. People want to trade the goods and services they are able to produce for goods and services they are not able to produce. We have a national economy because some of those people decided they needed to have the power to command what people are allowed to trade and how they are allowed to trade it.

    You don't even know what the problems are. How can you address them?

    I command you to pay my bills.

    I did not say "we" don't have the technology to house, clothe, and feed -and employ - everyone. I said that acting on that ability won't solve the problems caused by the inability of people to do that for themselves.
     
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    Hohhhh-Kayyyy...



    Thanks for the laugh.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In 1347 people would have been fine had they just stayed away from each other? Not likely. What are the consequences of people staying away from each other? Are there none?

    The government is the conductor, trying to steer the train away from people who might get hit by the virus. The people on the other track are those that suffer as a consequence of their decision to steer.

    There are no decisions without consequences.

    Kids in cages, unacceptable. Society in cages, necessary. Got it.
     
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    This pandemic is transmitted via aerosols. We have the technology and resources to kill anything in those particles before they can be transmitted person to person. Government can regulate that all indoor lighting produce a certain amount of UV for example. Government can regulate O2 production in every air circulation system. Government can create all sorts of regulations based on current technology that would prevent the spread of airborne virus.

    You can certainly feel good that you prevented an unknown number of people that could have been infected by airborne virus, but what are the consequences of those regulations? We don't currently mitigate airborne virus this way because the resources required are better used in other ways. What happens when we redirect those resources? What happens to those processes that lose resources? How will it affect skin cancers and respiratory issues?

    The same issue exists in lockdowns. It's a mandated redistribution of resources, and you have no clue how that will pan out in the short term, let alone in the long run.

    Suicide up. Overdose up. Domestic violence up. No outpatient psych services. No visiting nurses. Kids failing LRON and distance learning. People unable to travel to care for distant family. Store shelves empty because the factory floors are empty. How many people are on the track you're steering the train on to?
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I disagree wholeheartedly with the premise that if the government does nothing, nothing will be done.

    People free to make their own decisions regarding health and safety will produce an outcome too.

    Which will be better? Who knows? Which is better steering the train at an unknown number of people or let it continue on toward an unknown number of people?
     
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    Don't facts matter any longer? BLM don't organize violent protests.
     
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    About a year ago now, I suggested on this forum we use the Defense Production Act to produce effective PPE.

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    We could stop covid in its tracks if we produced this stuff and let people protect themselves and their loved ones when and where we have an outbreak. Enough people would wear these masks in congregate settings we wouldn't have to have a mask mandate.
     
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    Yes, Texas is sick and the sicko who lives here...

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    ... is a major part of the disease.
    Yes, we see yours.
    So, the millions of teachers across the country who as I write this note are teaching students in person are "lazy, self-serving cowards?" Does that include my school principal niece in Oregon who gave up her shot of vaccine to a care home worker is a coward, too?
    History will no doubt remember this maggot and the people (like you) who adored him.

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