Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

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  1. gabmux

    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps it is not "knowledge" that is sin...
    maybe it is the "knowledge of good and evil" that begat sin.
    Once the idea of dualism was introduced to the human mind...
    all manner of judgement, jealousy, covetousness, etc,. ensued.
     
  2. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yep, before that, God was happy watching naked humans frolicking in the garden

    once they ate from the apple, they realized that was kinda creepy
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol.
    But if God could be "happy" or sad, He would not be God
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    well the bible says he is a Jealous God, so much so that he goes by the name "Jealous"

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+34:14&version=KJV

    "
    Exodus 34:14 King James Version (KJV)
    14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
    "
     
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  5. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    The human to human harm we cause when competing.

    As I said, a small harm in the greater good of our continuing evolution.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    A & E did not vote for that stupid law. No thinking human would.

    Would you make making an intelligent choice illegal?

    Would you make it legal to forbid a person the gain of an education?

    That prick of a god tried it. In the Christian tradition, not the Jewish.

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    DL
     
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    Foreplay to Armageddon.

    Regards
    DL
     
  8. Greatest I am

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    Try burning human fat. I hear he likes that a lot.

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    DL
     
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    Hmm. Well, at this point, I think any harm is a detriment. We're just not competing for resources the way we used to. Our intelligence and ingenuity has allowed us to move past that. But can we keep it? Is this a blip or the beginning of humanity's next phase after thousands of years of basic agriculture and metalworking?
     
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    Since when is being filled with bigotry ''moral''?
     
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    It's not difficult to understand... the serpent beguiled Eve, Eve beguiled Adam.

    Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed the serpent... and God punished all three.


    Or perhaps you'd prefer a pagan version... to paraphrase Plato:

    The gods created humans round with two heads, four arms, four legs, etc. But they angered the gods when they forsook sacrificing to the gods... then tried to roll up Mt Olympus to usurp the gods.

    So the gods cut the humans in half... they were no longer round so they couldn't roll, there were twice as many of them so they could sacrifice twice as much... and they were so busy trying to find their other half, they didn't have time to devise plans to usurp the gods.

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    The story in Genesis "IS" the pagan version :)
     
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    1+1=2

    You have one nose and two eyes

    What goes up must come down (unless it goes up high enough)

    Wombats have cubed shaped poops

    Teflon allows us to make pans stuff won't stick to

    The earth revolves around the sun

    How is the above good or evil?
     
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    I don't see why we should equate inspired to disobey God with "beguiled".
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes....the bible says....lots of stuff.
    All of it written and translated and then re-translated and re-written...over and over and over....
    by humans. Humans..the very same creatures that are destroying their own habitat
    and everything in their vicinity. You want to trust them? That's your choice. I'll pass.
     
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    Partly due to the fact that it is an ABSOLUTE TRUTH that a position of servitude.....
    of service to others as well as to our Creator......
    will be more exalted than a temporary position of wealth, fame and political power........

    More women tend to end up in the heavenly afterlife realms.... than us guys.... because our pride gets us into serious trouble......
     
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    I am beholden also to laws that I have not voted for. Whether or not they voted for it seems like a non-sequitur.

    Depends on which choice. There are those who argue that it would be intelligent to take advantage of people if you can get away with it, I could still imagine wanting to make such a choice illegal. Again, it being the intelligent choice seems to be a completely different issue.

    Since when is this about what I would do? I argue that your blanket reference to Mens Rea is not good enough to declare something as not legal. What I would do instead seems to me like a red herring.
     
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    very true, as can be seen here from the oldest bible ever found

    "1500 Year-Old Bible Found In Turkey Is Stirring Up Controversy About Christianity"


    https://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news...Is-Stirring-Up-Controversy-About-Christianity

    "which shows that Jesus was not crucified, nor was he the son of God, but a Prophet"

    'also claims that Jesus ascended to heaven alive, and that Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place."
     
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    That account sounds just as accurate as any other IMO.
    I can appreciate your signature....

    "belief is what is important, not so much what you believe, for instance, an ordinary sugar pill without belief helps no one, but with belief it can cure your ills and it can be quite the amazing little pill - the magic really comes from within" - FreshAir
     
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    So you believe in God but hate him???

    Why?
     
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    Because of what Eve said to god. He asked "Who told you were naked?" She said "Isn't it obvious. Are you blind AND stupid?"
     
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    Not when it insured humanities survival.

    Take away the cause of harm, competition, and we go extinct.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    She showed the balls Adam did not have.

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    DL
     
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    Where did I indicate belief in Yahweh?

    Gnostic Christians do not hold any supernatural beliefs. We think that doing so would make us like Christians who idol worship a genocidal satanic prick of a god.

    If you do not hate a genocidal misfit of a god, who clearly hates humans, there is something wrong with your morals.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    We had one under discussion, and now you suddenly do not know what we are talking about.

    Go away. You are not worth my time.

    Regards
    DL
     

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