Why is the US the most criminally violent ''First World'' nation of all?

Most other nations don't have excess to guns like we do. As I said before, we didn't have the drug problem we have today. Not that they weren't out there, but I never knew anyone growing up that was on drugs. Never knew anything about drugs. It wasn't known enough to have a discussion about. The mass shootings started around the time of the Vietnam war when our soldiers started bring that crap back with them. Back in the 40's and 50's parents were much stricter on kids. You learned to suck it up when you didn't get your way. There was no trophy just for participating. In school if you didn't do the work you failed the grade. Mommy didn't threaten the teacher if she didn't pass you. Parents were tough on you and you learned to suck it up. Things changed there with Dr. Spock, saying never hit your kid. Kids today don't know how to handle rejection. I can't even imagine me talking back to my Mom or Dad. Not an option.

 

Just follow the time line and what has happened. How things have changed. If your caught with drugs in many Asian nations, they kill you. When Japan had that big flood, you didn't see people going around stealing from stores like we saw in New Orleans. Asians don't have the problems we have with their kids.

 

Don't buy it .. when I grew up .. in the 60's /70's Drugs were popular .. all kinds Pot - LSD - Mushrooms DA - coke . (that you snorted not smoked but this was a rare treat) and I am talking High School here.. ... no one was dying .. vast majority growing out of it - going on to live productive lives.. alcohol being the more dangerous from a relative risk perspective.. My school was the best school in the city btw .. in the in the So called Rich" area .. meaning descent area in a town of around 200,000 .. not Talking "LA" here.

The violence and crazy stuff - nothing like today .. perhaps not the idylic 50's but nothing like today mate. Then came the "Drug War" - but in particular the Pot War .. illegitimacy of authority - bad law .. leads to bad deeds.. and you can chart it out directly .. in so many ways its not even funny..

My kid ? Doesn't even smoke Pot .. not that he hasn't .. but chooses not to .. as Dad told him what the deal was with each and every drug .. rather than tell state sponsored propaganda lies .. "Pot on the same level as heroin" .. and other preposterous falsehoods .. on the basis of which so many people have been killed .. jailed ...rights taken away .. the system an anathema to the founding principles .. of which I am certain you are unaware.. unfortunately given I thought they taught that stuff back then .. but what do I know .. not being born yet ..but folks seemed to be far more articulate .. knowleagable of such things .. - what I do know is that they don't teach it these days.

 

No doubt. None of them have ever been outside of the US, so there's no way they could possibly understand the relationship between nation and culture.

I spent 30 days in Denmark with a field artillery unit and I'd go into town and there was a vendor's cart loaded with fruits and vegetables and a metal box with a sign, the gist being if you need change, make change.

Where could you put something like that in the US? On one of the tribal reservations, or in an Amish community. Outside of that, people would steal the money and take all the fruits and vegetables without paying.

Each Indian tribe is a nation, and the Amish are a nation for all intents and practical purposes, and that's precisely the point. A nation has a uniform moral code.

Stealing is wrong. Period. Criminal activity is an embarrassment for you and your family and brings shame on them, and for the Asian nations, it even brings shame on your dead ancestors.

Here, for the last 30-40 years kids are taught that if you want something, take it, by force if necessary, and on top of that they're given 100s of ways to justify and rationalize it.

And people can't figure out why US society is violent. That's one reason, because there's no stigma attached to crime like there is in a nation/nation-State.

I owned a flat in Queen's Park and I'd walk up to a pub on Kilburn High Road and eat, drink and play games with British Blacks. They're nothing like American Blacks.

Seriously, as an American, it was almost impossible to believe I was talking to Black people. I sat there one night while a guy was talking about how Steve Hackett was a great guitar player (and he is) and the differences between Genesis and Marillion. I almost fell out of my chair.

On another night, I asked a guy why everyone fawns over Charles Dickens, and I sat there with my jaw on the floor while he launched into a dissertation on the subject.

The difference in attitudes, beliefs, etc is like night and day, but then British Blacks assimilated into English culture, whereas American Blacks were assimilating into main-stream culture (because, you know, we're a country and don't have a specific culture) but then stopped in the 1960s.

And, no, it's not poverty. You need only travel around the world to see that's not true.

It's culture. In Romania --like the US -- we have a small percentage of the population committing the majority of crimes, namely, tsigani.

And, not just Romania, but everywhere they are, like Slovakia, Hungaria, Bulgaria, Greece.

For those who doubt, muster up the courage and read the outcry from the French people and the French government after EU rules opened migration and a bunch of tsigani migrated there and crime sky-rocketed.

The tsigani refuse to assimilate wherever they are and their culture is toxic, but not nearly as toxic as American Black Culture. The tsigani aren't slaughtering each other in the streets like American Blacks do.

 

The legacy of slavery is the answer. Descendents of slaves are a small percentage of the citizens but commit a major portion of the violent crime.

 

the war on drugs funds gangs here, but I do not think we are the most violent nation in the world

that seems to be Russian propaganda, don't believe it

 

Why are the descendent's of slaves a major portion of crime? Because their ancestors were slaves? Or some other reason?

 

That's a great post, but you have obviously never been on a tribal reservation. Yes, there is a big sense of community, but they also have social problems, crime, and poverty on those reservations, though I'm sure the small community and social pressure helps keeps crime down far lower than it would otherwise be.

Another place where the crimes rates are very low is southeastern Utah in small fundamentalist Mormon communities. Someone told me a story, they were driving through there, it's mostly in the middle of nowhere, and somewhere along the way they lost their wallet. They thought they would never see it again, but someone came up to him later and handed the wallet back. It still had all his money in it, which was a lot. They didn't have many strangers in that area so it was real easy to find him. He offered the Mormon man some money as a reward but he refused to accept it, saying that if he accepted anything it would "take away from his reward in heaven".
The man probably went to considerable effort to track him down to, since he believes he probably lost the wallet in an earlier town. But it's a close-knit community and they keep a close eye on any outsiders passing through, so apparently they were able to coordinate and quickly track him down, even one town away.

Now there are plenty of places in the US where you couldn't even leave your wallet for 10 minutes without it disappearing and you never seeing it again. Heck, there are many neighborhoods where if you even leave a used tire in your front yard, it is likely to be stolen by the end of the day.

 

There are multiple reasons why that is, but we would probably have to discuss that in a separate thread.
Also these days, a lot of them are the same.
But I agree back in the early 90s they were of a different feather.

I realize you are trying to make simple points, and there is some truth to what you are saying, but the actual reality is often more complicated.

 

Because it has a lot of places with people who live in poverty, who don't work and who live on welfare. Lots of unsafe neighborhoods. Also because the single motherhood is a huge issue.
The African and the Latin American countries have high levels of violence and since many of them live in poverty when they come in USA, the habits continue.
This is a problem that can be solved easily but both political parties are doing their best to increase this problem. They are doing nothing to implement cheaper housing and cheaper education and better jobs. They always bring more immigrants in order to increase the poverty and the chaos in the country.
I must admit the Democratic party is much more "efficient" though.

 

The claim is not that the US is the most violent nation in the world. That is definitely not true. The claim is the US is the most violent one only counting all the counties that are considered "wealthy" and "developed".

Something I think we have to ask ourselves is could there be something about the US that makes it like Third World countries, yet also at the same time in other ways makes it like wealthy and developed countries. The US seems to share some different similarities in its statistics to both.

 

Do you have a theory as to why the US has to be such a violence oriented nation?? What are the contributing factors??

Other developed and more sophisticated nations don't seem to have this issue. Is it a cultural thing?? Does the general attitude to weapons contribute?? Most nations don't value weapons for personal used as much as the US does.

Is the inclination to violence and crime a result of cultural conditioning..........eg: Via violence in movies.. ?? they increase the psychological tolerance level for violence

eg: if a Jan 6 type event had taken place in another well developed , stable , nation...........the population would have been collectively horrified and denounced it.

Yet...........so many in the uS find excuses for that day and the person that instigated t.

Maybe this country simply LIKES aggression and violence............as it represents some kind of power in a bizarre way. Personal weapons are about power too.

Other developed nations seem to be more civilized in this regard. Many focus on prevention of that kind of behavior......with various support systems.

 

Yes I do. I've sad this numerous times before. The US is like a First World country existing side by side in coexistence with a Third World country.
If you added together a First World country with a small Third World country, those statistics would likely end up looking pretty similar to the US.

It's because the US is not homogenous, that's why it looks like such an outlier in the statistics. If you were to try to correlate total national wealth to violent crime levels.

 

Ouch, well that theory got killed quickly.

 

95% of US zip codes have European levels of violence. The 5% that drive the national numbers so high are Blue Zone hell holes.

https://www.washingtontimes.com › news ›most-murders-occurred-in-5-percent-of-countys-says

"The vast majority of homicides occurred in just 5 percent of counties, and even there the murders were localized, with some neighborhoods untouched by the violence, according to a new report" ...

 

The one differentiating factor between the US and other "first world" countries that explains the degree of violence here is the proliferation of gun possession. Full stop.

 

Why is the US the most criminally violent ''First World'' nation of all?

Because it is the one that decided to become the planetary police force - a poor idea I would add.

 

The 5% were integrating until the Great Society ushered in by Johnson and his dixiecrats, destroyed their families and work incentives.

 

And some on the Left are ghoulish enough to use that tragedy to attack the rights of the 95% of counties that do not have the level of violence of the 5% of Blue Controlled hellholes.

Personally, I do not think these Blue Hellholes could be this criminally infested if everyone who is supposed to be representing them were not on the take from the criminals. Now, our prosecutors that broke the back of the Mafia could be working on breaking this cycle of lawlessness, but, they are too busy fixing Hillary's scandals, witch-hunting Trump, raiding Project Veritas, and running nitch lines on parents who speak up at school board meetings.

It's long past time to elect some sensible Republicans and start cleaning up this gigantic mess.

 

Even that's not quite true. Switzerland in the 1990s.
Of course that's mostly a middle class country with a high standard of living.

I also made a post before about a part of India called Nagaland where gun possession is very high but crime rates are very low. Of course, 90% of the tribal people there are Christian and there's a church in practically every village.