Why Diversity is Killing Us

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Cultural Marxism exists presently only in the fevered brains of its paranoid detractors and its equally insane, (though in a different way) followers. It may have never subsisted anywhere in actual fact. I dunno, and my poor knowledge of world politics is inadequate to give a reliable opinion on the subject.

    The only Cultural Revolution that I ever heard of in China was Mao's and that was really just the takeover of the Government by the Fascist elements that had been there from the beginning
     
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    So what do you have to say?
     
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    So much fail, Dear.

    The unique position of offspring to multi-billionaires isn't helping your argument about ORDINARY people .. at all. It's doing the opposite.

    Meantime, all those ordinary Asian, Indian, African and Middle Easter surgeons, lawyers, company directors, property developers, dentists, business owners etc etc, prove how woefully out of touch your argument is. Go to any large hospital and check out the staff doctors. I'll pay you a dollar for every white male you find. And that's just one example. A glance at any large univerity's STEM cohort is enough to know that white males are nowhere near well represented in the most lucrative fields of study. In fact you'll find far more white kids in the poverty-making fields of Arts & Humanties.
     
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    But you seem willing to explain national racism?
     
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    WHY are they discrimated against? Is it their skin tone? Please be specific.
     
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    When the world is ruled by China and India, and white people are scrubbing toilets - they'll still be bleating about white privilege, white racism, and the oppression of the the non-whites. It's ALL they have.
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Those White people scrubbing toilets will be bleating about black racism and how the non-whites are oppressing them, all because they were too good to actually STUDY in HS and instead relied upon a rejuvenated Trump to restore their rightful place as representatives of the Master Race.
     
  8. Kris P. Bacon

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    Cultural Marxism (identity politics) is very real and exists. It's one of those subjects that are denied even existed on the left and when it's proved there's a deafening silence. I briefly prove and explain Cultural Marxism here.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/cultural-marxism-in-the-us.601310/
     
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    Marvelous people are all white??
    Does this comment allow me to refer to you as a racist?
     
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    Cultural marxists don't have a culture.
    They have a political identity in few circles.

    "The term "Cultural Marxism" refers to a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory which claims that Western Marxism is the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture.[1][2][3] The theory claims that an elite of Marxist theorists and Frankfurt School intellectuals are subverting Western society with a culture war that undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism and promotes the cultural liberal values of the 1960s counterculture and multiculturalism, progressive politics and political correctness, misrepresented as identity politics created by critical theory.[original research?][2][3][4]

    A contemporary revival of the Nazi propaganda term "Cultural Bolshevism",[5] the conspiracy theory originated in the United States during the 1990s.[6][7][note 1] While originally found only on the far-right political fringe, the term began to enter mainstream discourse in the 2010s and is now found globally.[7] The conspiracy theory of a Marxist culture war is promoted by right-wing politicians, fundamentalist religious leaders, political commentators in mainstream print and television media, and white supremacist terrorists,[8] and has been described as "a foundational element of the alt-right worldview".[9] Scholarly analysis of the conspiracy theory has concluded that it has no basis in fact.[7][10]"
    WIKI
     
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  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Yet another hallmark of the true conspiracy theorist. They "prove" their theories by re-stating them. Not at all a new tactic either, no matter how much you may think you came up with it all by yourself. Try looking up the word "tautology" sometime.
     
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    It is not identity politics and it does not exist as a genuine threat to Western values.
    It does exist in right wing imaginations.
    I see no threat to the idea that the values of mid 20th century are worth rediscovering.
    They were far closer to the core values of Human Rights, civil equality, and optimism.
    These are not Marxist. They are very strong in the western ideology designed in the first five years after WW2, agreed by UN members and written into bills of rights across the western world.
    Marxism is fundamentally à cultural statement which aimed at eradicating the punishing class system in Czarist Russia and elevating respect and opportunity for the lower groups while controlling those who created and played thecsystem of the wealthý and highly intermarried landed aristocracy.
    In fact this is what most western liberal countries try to do today. In the UK the government has mandated "levelling up", or concentrating investment in the poorer North of the country. The US does it when it invests in éducation programmes for the poor.
    These were some of the objectives advocated in the 60's and still pursued today.
    No one is systematically plotting to "take over" the culture of the US. How on earth does anyone do that?
    In fact this is yet again an effort to make you feel afraid and therefore compliant.. and some fall for it because it sounds intellectual . It would help if some of those who react to it actually know what it means.
     
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    IDENTITY POLITICS
    1. a tendency for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics.
    Please explain how cultural Marxism fits this definition. How one is the same as the other as Kris stated.
    I do wish people would stop using terms they don't understand in an effort to sound clever.
     
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    Yes but what are they planning to replace western culture with?
    In fact not even the all powerful British Empire replaced Indian culture when it was the jewel in the Crown.
    Nor did the all powerful American culture replace Native American culture though they had a damned good go at it.
    You can't replace history and custom. Cultural memory, like genetics in a population, is baked into the life of à community. The whole basis of the fear mongering conspiracy theory is to generate fear of the boogeyman..
    and that would be anyone you are told fits the bill. It is cultural manipulation attempted by those who want to control you.
     
  15. Kris P. Bacon

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    You are of course free to visit the thread link and disprove what I explained, instead of keep repeating it didn’t happen.
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Oh the events happened, they just don't come even close to proving what you say. Academics can spin a good yarn, that's what they do after all, but nobody really listens to them, now or then
     
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    The events happened? Well, at least that’s a start. I wrote the thread because I was told it was a myth.

    Unfortunately, the indoctrination is now so great that even if politicians stood up and admitted it, you still wouldn’t believe it. Perhaps you also fell for the Obama one of coming to heal America, which has now entered the left’s collective amnesia. No need to feel embarrassed, millions in Europe also fell for the same indoctrinated nonsense.

     
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    First, the vidéo link to Bukovsky is factually untrue. I won't start to describe the structure and democratic process of the EU here but it is not what Bukovsky claims .
    Second the OP misinterpreting the word "multicultural". It was coinef to describe many cultures living together under one national ideology. That would be the laws of the land and human rights. The idea of equality...ie muslims are free to play football or baseball while still being Muslim.
    K's third mistake was the use of identity politics as a form of Cultural Marxism.
    The two are from totally different stables.
    Fourth his understanding of what cultural Marxism is is seriously flawed. Different cultures have shaped America since the 18th century and become baked into what America is...from hot dogs to tacos , French fries to baseball. None of which "took over American culture...they became à genetic part of it.
    If one is going to discuss such issues, one should use language intelligently.
    This whole thread is built on misûse of conceptual vocabulary.
     
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    On the right/left-o-meter the needle swung far right and broke. Most all Republicans now acknowledge my little list were good things, even with gay marriage most Republicans now agree with it. Conservatives tend to mistrust and fear change They focus on the negative and ignore the positive until it is normalized like integration. They do that when viewing cultures as well which makes them view other cultures in a negative light. Blacks make fatherless babies. Moslems will try to pass Sharia laws. Whites are racist rednecks.
    It also seems like they have a confirmation bias when looking at history.
     
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    Integration is normalized? How so? I've read that the schools are more segregated now than they were in the '50s. The NYT had a long series on how White Liberals say they are in favor of school integration but find ways to avoid it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/21/nyregion/school-integration-progressives.html

    People don't always say what they really feel.
     
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    Yes, people don't say what they feel. Do you feel schools need to be segregated by race?
     
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    If memory serves, you do.

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    This is completely wrong. Conservatives do not fear change, we just understand the value of time-honored traditions. We're careful to not destroy things that work on the belief that something different, something that has been tried and failed before or has been tried only as a theory, will work better
     
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    Western culture is going to be replaced by wokeism, of course. And of course you can replace history and custom. Wokesters want to replace history with the 1619 project. Marriage has be replaced by gay marriage.

    The wokesters are quite open about their intentions on changing the culture. What do you think "dismantling structural racism' and deconstructing the" gender binary' are all about?
     
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    I believe schools should be segregated by ability. But that ineluctably leads to segregation by race.
     
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