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The gun laws are weak. Everything else is not.

 

And the idea is adding more guns is making it more safe... as in arming guards at school to now even teachers. It's again inventing policies to do whatever it takes to not have tough gun laws, but it's flat out not working out.

GOP gun idea's simply do not work. It only works out for the gun industry and the people who own their stocks.

 

What are you talking about? We have thousands of gun laws. One more won't do anything.

the burden of proof falls on the accuser that's the way logic works. An accusation is a positive claim logically speaking people who make positive claims also carry the burden of proof.

there are no laws regarding the ownership of cars. You can own whatever car you want drive it whatever way you want. Laws regarding cars apply to only vehicles operated on the roadway.

The roadway is a public place where people all operate their cars together there is not an equivalent to that with firearms so there's no laws regarding it

We don't need to. In fact it's criminal for the federal government to try.

The only use for registration is to confiscate nobody should register even if they're required to.

 

Gun control and gun bands are always about racism. From it's very beginning back in the 15th the century gun control was always about stopping black people from getting firearms.

 

that's a warning.

this is why we resist these sorts of laws here that's a dictatorship where the government officials can come into your house and inspect your possession. If you want to live under that kind of oppression go we don't want it here <Mod Edit>

Again this is cautionary and more reason never to allow what the UK allowed.

I don't want to live under that kind of oppression I don't need a license I have the Second amendment it's my right. The government can issue a license but it means nothing because it's a right and can't be taken away without due process of law

 

The laws are ok, the enforcement of them is lacking.

 

arming people is actually a good idea it's called hardening a target the only reason the soft targets are targeted is because they're soft.

Which one would you be more willing to try and Rob a Small Town Bank with a 60 year old man with a gun on his hip or fort Knox?

well I would say this is accurate but it's because it's a government and they just want gun control. That doesn't work it preventing violence because of violence happens mostly in places where there is gun control government again makes the problem it doesn't solve it.

this conspiracy theory crap is pretty weak. There's no vast conspiracy between the government and the gun industry other than to create gun control laws that helps them more than anything.

 

I disagree most laws on the federal level are not okay. They should all be deemed unconstitutional as they impede the free exercise of the Second amendment.

Also they should dissolve the ATF as it exists strictly to oppress gun dealers and gun buyers.

 

so what is the murder by gun law and why do you think its weak? What would you like to see different when you murder someone with a gun?

 

Don't let these people fool you. Has nothing to do with murder.

My first response in this thread was I wonder when the 80 year old fired upon the robber will be prosecuted.

We have taken very clear textbook cases of self-defense and turn them into trial this is an effort by people who want you to know that defending yourself with the firearm is not okay has nothing to do with murder. It has to do with you thinking you can defend yourself.

The final stop gap too prevent an aggressive government is armed citizens. That's why before any dictator creates his regime that first step is to band firearms and I'm willing to bet they use safety and an appeal to emotions in order to do that. Kids are dying don't you care about kids? It works even with understanding history it's working on some of our people.

People will say all about how if there was a military battle between the citizens and the people the people wouldn't stand a chance so why do they want to take our guns away they don't answer that question because they can't they'll talk about tanks and drones strikes and so that just eliminates 100% of infantry.

The point is it's a power that the citizens have when the citizens have power government doesn't. Gun control is about control not guns.

 

You are dishonestly suggesting that they all apply on top of each other / complimenting each other / making it to a strong gun policy. And so you claim adding an other on complimenting all the others won't work. But the thing is, almost all are small local laws exist next to each other. And 1000's of weak gun laws who only apply in their specific country and not in the next do not make it to 1 tough gun law. And so adding a tough gun law on top of it -which isn't around compared to other western nations- will make a difference. That is what the other countries show.

All other western nations got tougher gun laws, and their gun related crimes are far lower.

The equivalent is proving ownership of the item.

Nobody is using registration of cars specifically to confiscate the car. It only might happen if the car got reported stolen or something. Get over it already.

 

None of those countries have the culture or history of the US, which has been explained to you for as long as anyone can remember. Your only solution is confiscation which isn't happening. And you can't explain why murder is high in all the countries you claim don't have guns.

Are you paying attention to anything these posters link or is this still an emotional outburst? All you've done is show people you cannot be reasoned with, and don't understand history.

 

no I'm not there should never be strong gun policy. There shouldn't be any policy at all. There should be the Second amendment.

good I think many of these rules should be overruled by the supreme Court as they violate the Second amendment

the way our country is set up I can't do that. It's almost like it was done that way on purpose to prevent the one strong gun law in places where they don't respect freedoms like in the UK.

but we're not a country like other Western Nations and we shouldn't be.

I don't really care how we compared to less free places in the world again this is a cautionary thing. Do this or you'll end up like other Western countries that trample all over people's rights.

show that those two things are connected.

you don't have to prove ownership of a vehicle. You can own it for 25 years and never register it. Even if you want to drive one on the roadway you do not have to prove ownership of it I've rented cars before that I don't own I borrowed vehicles from people that I don't own. I've driven cars for companies that I don't own.

You don't even know what you're comparing it to.

you don't have to register a car. The only reason you would register a vehicle is to operate it on the motorway all of the laws referring to automobiles have to do with the motorway because it is a public space where everyone uses their car.

There isn't an equivalent to that with guns.

 

Oh I know what their real motivation is, its one of the reasons I want specifics from him, The argument either falls apart or they are forced to show the real motivation behind their argument.

 

People can and are just buying weapons from a shop, and are passing them around like candy on a birthday party. While the authorities aren't equipped to ransack all homes by people not illegible of owning guns, to see if they might have one, while the previous owner doesn't need to prove crap all where his gun went.

So you're just sticking cops with an impossible task, because the laws are just weak as hell.

 

The only problem is that this theory isn't working out. The US has the most guns per person, and ends up being far and far more violent compared to other similar western nations.

 

I wouldn't waste your time making this point not that I don't agree with it. Whatever someone says other countries and goes on to describe something that makes them different remember that doesn't apply when we're talking about schooling.

So I equate this as essentially keeping up with the Joneses on the national scale.

It's neither it's actually tribalism. His tribe says guns are bad and they need to be controlled the sad part is I don't even think this person thinks about it and you just doing what's popular what would you expect from someone who tries to keep up with the Joneses.

I don't think people think about this they just repeat what talking heads tell them to say.

 

well its the US and people have rights and dont have to prove their innocence. Sorry but what you want will never happen.. But what we can do is lock up the people that are actually committing the crimes and not let them out.. stop letting violent criminals back on the streets and problem solved..

 

it's not meant to work out in your opinion it's meant to give us freedoms. In that regard it's working out beautifully.

So you think guns have some sort of psychological power to make people violent?

If you want to live in these other Western countries or live in a country like them move there if you want to complain about a fundamental component of this country it's not the country for you it's time to leave.

I don't want my country to turn out like other Western countries if I wanted to live there I would I live here because I like it here.

 

You too. Make a live-stream tomorrow on your cell phone. Approach the first black person you see and say the words “Grape Ape” and see the reaction. Come back and post the results if you are even physically able to.

 

why shouldn't they?

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they shouldn't have to the only reason you would expect them to is so that you can punish them for exercising their rights.

Again preventing that sort of thing is precisely why we have the Second amendment.

False cops shouldn't be bothering with citizens that own firearms. And if this is a hardship good I want it to be that's the point.

Maybe they'll get the hint and quit trying to infringe on our rights

 

Their motivation is either tribalism or authoritarianism. They're either doing something because people in their party say that or because they want you not to have power.

 

In France you need a paper from a doctor saying you're mentally and physically all there, EVERY year. And you have to file that crap in every 3 years... if you want a weapon that contains more then 3 bullets, plus you also must be an active member of a gun range where you must show up 3 times a year.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/26/opinions/france-america-gun-laws-opinion-andelman/index.html



It's rather similar to what goes on in the US, with the exception that the government must always be 1 step behind since they have to wait till a person gets busted with being nuts and possible killing somebody before taking away the guns.

 

Because it's the most common way criminals obtain guns.

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The 2nd amendment is not demanding a thing around gun registrations.

It remains to be that cops can not actively search for people acting like a strawman for criminals.
And this weak laws there are now, are causing criminals to have guns with ease.

 

I already debunked that dumb fallacy of yours.
Proving ownership has nothing to do with proving "innocence".
A person able to prove the car on the driveway is his/hers is not proving guilt or innocence as well. It's just proving ownership.
And you got no reply to this.

I already debunked this by noting the US is already nr 1 in locking people up while also is the most violent western nation.
Your idea of doubling down on locking up more people therefor is not proving it will make the US more safe.

What is proving less gun violence is tougher laws on guns. Other western developed nations show this.