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You got a seriously weird fantasy going on by utterly over exaggerating so much on the "fact" that millions of people own unregistered race cars as if this is the norm how it is. It's absolutely not the case. The very very fast bulk of the cars in the US are flat out registered. It's absolutely not causing any kind of problems. Nobody is associating this with any kind of guilt or some weird prove of innocence. And so I see no problem with implementing that on guns. And there is a need to that, since people are passing guns around to criminals all the time behind closed doors where cops may not legally be.

 

It is, when the bulk of the nation wants to use their car on public road.

You're not responding that the US is already so tough on crime that the US got the most people behind bars, while the gun crime is also the highest compared to western nations.... proving that this strategy isn't working.

 

So how do guns make crime happen?

Go live there.

So there isn't a connection between ownership of guns and criminal activity?

you don't see what you want to pretend does it exist I can't help you with that.

You do not hold the majority opinion if you did we'd have the laws you think we need.

 

BS I've possessed a vehicle for 6 years that I haven't had to register prove that I own.

Again vehicles only need to be registered if they're operated on the roadway. There's no equivalent to that for firearms so there's no comparison here.

Yes they can there are parking lots full of them they can just take one.

Criminals typically don't obey laws

I'm not sure that they do all other Western countries could be quite different for the US I posit that they are. So the bird of proof is on you and correlation between criminal behavior it got ownership isnt causation

Proving something to yourself means nothing.

Explain to me why these people don't ever vote for this?

 

Do they? Prove it.

again the only purpose for registration is confiscation.

On the roadway? That doesn't matter sense?

Registering a car is to make sure you have insurance and that it passes inspection if you're going to use it on the roadway. There isn't an equivalent to the roadway for gun use.

whatever you wish to see.

 

your ignorance of the law and reality is not a smart debate strategy. There is several hundred classes in just the NHRA, in just one of them with the Summit racing series there is 80,000 drivers. And thats just one of the classes in the NHRA, now add in the SCCA, IHRA, Nascar, Midget, etc.. Now should we also talk about the truck racing series? Or motorcycle racing series?

You have no clue.. and it doesnt matter if there is millions of race cars vs hundreds, the LAW states you dont need to register your car. your idea is dead in the water

 

We're not talking about any random crime... we're talking about gun related crime.
So your questions are a joke.

Already replied that the majroity Americans want tougher gun laws. And you're obviously no American.
And other western nations got such laws that show it works.

I already sourced the opinion of the majority wants tougher gun laws.

 

What's gun crime?

Why don't these people ever vote?

 

That some tiny % of cars isn't registered, doesn't change a thing that a registration of cars is nothing odd for the WHOPPING majority of car owners, and so it shouldn't be odd to apply to guns. You dragged in that this registration is some kind of infringement thinking a lawful citizen gets the impression of being found guilty. It's absolutely not the case with car registration. You argument is gone.

I already sourced that most criminals do not steal a weapon to commit a crime.
They get them when they are passed around like sweet candy.
And that can't be happening if the family member registered they gave it to a criminal.

I don't need to prove that.
I already got tough gun laws that work in all the other western countries vs weak gun laws in the US.

I proved to myself? You, as a non American, found the need to see it.
And I don't need to answer your off topic question. It doesn't change my source.

 

I already put up gun crime stats.

It's not happening when you register your car. So your argument is a joke.

My point is about registering your property, not the use a public road.

you are conceding that cops can not distinguish between a criminal who got a gun behind closed door and a law abiding citizen, and so acknowledge the law is weak, because you're not disputing it... and in fact, partially deleting my posts.

 

80K drivers? So what. There are about 290 million registered cars in the US.

And the point is that there is nothing odd to register your car and so put the car "on your name". '
So ppl are just whining all over now that it's somehow a moral problem when you have to do it with a gun.

 

the point is you don't have to register a vehicle. So it's not comparable unless I don't have to register a firearm.

How so? The only purpose for good registrations is for later confiscations it serves no other purpose.

unless they don't register it there would be no reason to and no enforcement outside of violating several other amendments.

you have correlation that you mistake for causation that proves nothing, it means nothing except for you have no argument.

And yet your argument failed to convince anybody amazing how that happens I guess everyone that disagrees with you is just irrational right?

 

sure that that's caused by ownership.

I don't have to register my car by argument is not been touched.

I don't have to register my property.

You haven't made a point that I could concede to.

 

yes 80,000 in 1 series of the 1000s of racing series out there. Your point was that you HAVE to register a car so why not a gun? simple you DONT have to register a car as me and others have pointed out. Your analogy PROVES our side of the debate not yours.

You're the one who came up with the dumb analogy with having to register your car, and arguing about the size of each racing series does nothing to help your argument about the LAW that you dont have to register your car.

 

My point is totally not about if or if not absolutely every last one car must be registered.
This is about registering guns, to prevent criminals using family members and friends to obtain guns, which is the most common way criminals get guns.
And there are about 290 million cars registered. Nobody cares jack that they have to register a normal car for normal use.
So there is no objection to go register your gun as well. And you got no argument against it.


All you got going is deliberately derailing with your quest to anally go on about car registration as if that's the topic/argument. Bravo.

 

Last time I checked, I sourced how criminals usually get their guns.

Who cares. The point stands that most criminals get their weapons through friends and family.
And registration prevents it. And nobody gives an tooshy when they do register their car for normal use on a public road.
You got zero argument against this.

You deleted my point, and so are conceding to it.

 

Still not a good point.

yeah I do. The only point in good registration is for confiscation.

Your point was convoluted and nonsensical. But if you have to pretend that you are that's fine you can have your bottle.

 

Registering guns with the government is a list for confiscation, this country was founded on power to the people not power to the government.
You think criminals are going to actually register guns? lol do you also think that criminals will register stolen cars as well?
Straw purchase laws are already in place, but what we can do is if someone uses an illegal gun in a violent crime then dont ever let them out of jail.. problem solved

My idea gets tough on criminals, your idea gets tough on law abiding gun owners and does nothing.

Also did crack dealers have to register crack to be a drug dealer? strange how criminals never seem to follow the laws..

 

You brought up that idea of confiscation before. And such a list isn't used to confiscate cars, where there are 100 millions of cars registered.
So you're argument is just a dumb and unfounded conspiracy theory. Repeating it, doesn't make it true.

The current gun laws in the US are weak. Get over it that the majority wants tough gun laws. I sourced it.

The US is already the most tough on criminals compared to the other western nations.
It's not putting a dent into gun violence. Nothing shows doubling down will solve a thing.
While tough gun laws show that they do work.
I've told this before... and you're conceding by not being able to dispute it.

 

Your opinion lacks an argument why it aint a good point. So my argument of gun registration stands,
because it simply is going to make it much harder for criminals to use friends and family to buy guns for them.

You brought up that idea of confiscation before. And such a list isn't used to confiscate cars, where there are 100 millions of cars registered.
So you're argument is just a dumb and unfounded conspiracy theory. Repeating it, doesn't make it true.

you are still conceding that cops can not distinguish between a criminal who got a gun behind closed door and a law abiding citizen, and so acknowledge the law is weak.
You lack any kind of argument to counter this. Hence you start deleting it in your reply.

 

the government does not need to confiscate your car to control you, Your ideas are right out of the Nazi playbook.. they first introduced a registration.. then a confiscation.. then genocide

and there it is.. the laws are hard on criminals but you think they are to weak for law abiding citizens. your true motive shines through.. I guess you taking an idea out of the Nazi playbook makes sense

 

notme

Please tell me what gun laws you would like to see.

Thanks in advance

 

Again got registration is strictly about confiscation.

Your question about conceding is convoluted and nonsensical. So I still can't answer as the statement or question or gibberish doesn't make sense to me.

 

To the bolded:

They don’t even legally have to register them if there was a registry as it would be incriminating themselves.

 

yep you have a constitutional right to not self incriminate so another reason this will never work..