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COP: What seems to be the problem here?
Freedom Fighter: My car was stolen.
COP:May I have your license please.
Freedom Fighter: I don't have one, that's just government oppression.
COP: What license plate number?
Freedom Fighter: I'm not sure, I got it mail order from Mexico for security sake but the plate looks just like our state's.
COP: What's the registration number?
Freedom Fighter: I filed it off so it couldn't be identified in case the US is invaded.
COP: How was it stolen?
Freedom Fighter: I left it in the parking lot while I went shopping.
COP: Please give me the key so I can search from it's identification number, the manufacturer keeps records.
Freedom Fighter: Gee, I can't do that because I had to leave the engine running and I didn't have a spare.
COP: Why on Earth did you leave the engine running?
Freedom Fighter: Well it's cold and I didn't want the baby to freeze.


Moral of the story, if you register your gun, learn to use it efficiently and safely, and keep it secured you could keep it out of the hands of criminals and not have innocents killed by it. Just like you'd do if you have a car.

 

I don't need to. I'm correct and you know I am.

 

You're just living in a fake news world, if you can't prove your point.
And you can't prove your point. You're right on par with flat earthers.
I can't take that crap serious.

 

its unconstitutional to apply that law to straw purchase criminals, so your idea to stop straw purchases is to come up with a law that cant target straw purchase criminals? great job..

why would a straw purchase criminal register the gun? they have no legal obligation to register it.. and also he is a criminal and wouldnt care about following the law anyway.

I dont want the government to have a list of gun owners. I'm 100% in favor of a straw purchase being illegal and have no problem putting straw purchasers in jail. What I'm saying is your idea to crack down on straw purchases wont work, it legally cant be applied to straw purchase criminals so why would I support a law that will do nothing to target the criminals and give the government a road map for confiscation from legal gun owners like what the dems said they wanted to do?

Come up with a law that can LEGALLY target a straw purchase and we can talk..

 

Go prove that the registration is prohibited in the constitution.

They would have to, if it's the law.

Go prove that the registration is prohibited in the constitution.

 

The moral of the story is never register your gun, and train-train-train!

 

I still don't need to. You can say whatever you need to in order to convince yourself of your notions.

All federal gun laws are unconstitutional this illegal.

 

still no source

 

Second amendment is my source.

 

So you expect criminals to follow the laws now? if you think thats the case then you have nothing to worry about because, murder is against the law so I guess all the criminals "would have to follow that law as well" Maybe they didnt get the memo that its against the law to murder people.. you should head over to the hood and let all the gang members know about that law..

your 5th amendment rights.. and it has already been tried..

Haynes vs the United states

"The National Firearms Act of 1934 required the registration of certain types of firearms. Miles Edward Haynes was a convicted felon who was charged with failing to register a firearm under the Act. Haynes argued that, because he was a convicted felon and thus prohibited from owning a firearm, requiring him to register was essentially requiring him to make an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the law, which was thus a violation of his right not to incriminate himself."

"In a 7-1 decision, the Court ruled in 1968 in favor of Haynes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States

If your goal is to break the law like a straw purchaser the government can not force you to incriminate yourself.. thats your 5th amendment right. A gun registration can only target law abiding citizens and can not target criminals

Now do you have any other ideas that will target a straw purchaser and be constitutional?

 

Not seeing a thing about registration there.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Freed

This goes ... bla bla bla... and "This is a regulatory measure in the interest of the public safety".... you can make people register it.

The bottom line is, that nothing is in the constitution that refers to any kind of registration. It's just some judges who can flip flop one way at some point and flip flop back some decades later.... like Roe v Wade.

 

Registration is infringement. All federal laws are prohibited by that amendment. Making a law infringes. There's other laws that forbid a registration as well.

 

Yeah there is something in the Constitution that forbids registration is called the Second amendment.

A registration with infringe that is not allowed.

 

No you can not make people register it, congress amended the national firearms act after Haynes v. United States and made it so manufacturers or importers had to register guns but, A transferee does not and cannot register, though possession of an unregistered firearm is illegal. No information or evidence furnished under the Act can be used as evidence against a registrant or applicant

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/401/601/

so again the only way to keep it legal was to make it so the citizen didnt register the gun and only the manufacturer did.. and any information from the manufacturers registration cant be used against the straw purchase buyer anyway.. so yeah a law that wont stop straw purchasers is what you want to try to stop straw purchasers? you have any other ideas ?

side note Roe vs Wade got overturned because there is no language in the constitution that is even close to saying you can kill an unborn baby. The right to not self incriminate is clear as day

 

The problem that many of us who like to target shoot / "train" have is finding a place to shoot.

I've got a target range next to my blacksmith shop behind our house and have bought as much of the surrounding land as I can but because of suburban sprawl, it's just a matter of time before the remaining land is littered with cookie cutter McMansions.

Do you shoot / train on private land or do you go to a public shooting range?

 

Knowledge of constitutional principles are necessary to understand his points.

No knowledge, no understanding.

 

You say this, but prove nothing.

 

Good question.

I have a membership at my fudd club and I, like you, get discount on dues and can take a friend for free once a week. It's primarily for short testing of builds and things I've tweaked like new triggers/springs.

But proper training means getting to set up for proper distances for long range shooting, using a barrier system, and maybe a dismount to engage area. Sadly I only have one spot for that and I only get to go every other month.

I'll wager as the city moves closer to you, the odds of people not getting spooked by unsuppressed fire goes way down. Which really sucks since you've dropped the coin to make your place fun and usable, and there may not be an open area for many miles where you can enjoy proper training.

 

Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States
The National Firearms Act was amended after Haynes to make it apply only to those who could lawfully possess a firearm.

A criminal does not need to register a gun it may not have, because it's self incriminating.
That does not apply to lawful citizens.

Point is that a gun should always be registered to a law abiding citizen, and may not be transferred to a person who may not register it because it's a criminal. Heck. I see a problem with a lawful citizen haven a gun in the same household with a criminal. I have a problem with that.

 

It's necessary to understand the constitution as well for my point.
I have yet to see that other poster prove that registration of guns is not allowed because the constitution says so.

 

I already linked to the amended national firearms act, in fact you should of kept reading your own link..

"The court held: " To eliminate the defects revealed by Haynes, Congress amended the Act so that only a possessor who lawfully makes, manufactures, or imports firearms can and must register them", United States v. Freed, 401 U.S. 601 (1971).[5] The original Haynes decision continues to block state prosecutions of criminals who fail to register guns as required by various state law gun registration schemes. ":

and from my link about the amended national firearms act..

"A transferee does not and cannot register, though possession of an unregistered firearm is illegal. No information or evidence furnished under the Act can be used as evidence against a registrant or applicant"

So again gun registrations are not constitutional, and the ONLY way you can make them constitutional is by making it so you cant use the information against criminals.. So your fighting for a law to be implemented that cant legally target criminals.. Seems like a stupid law to fight for..

SO asking again do you have any ideas that can actually be used to target a straw purchaser and wont be overturned because its unconstitutional?

 

It's too bad you've never read the Constitution it plainly states "shall not be infringed", we can only presume you don't understand what those words mean.

 

He only purpose of a registration is confiscation I don't need to prove this you already know that.

 

Or he refuses to accept them that's what I'm going with.