Why are cons ALWAYS on the wrong side of history?

Fake News, "Liberal" is the last thing that the Authoritarian Progressive Puritan wannabe totalitarians are.

It's not us that are trying to force the cult of AGW on the nation through force.

The Clinton Presidency with a GOP congress was one of the best governments we've had. I fully support resetting all government spending back to the 1998 levels.

Conservatives Conserve our Constitutional Liberal Democracy, Progressive Puritan Authoritarians are reactionaries that prefer tyranny over a Free People with Self Determination.

 

Conservatives actually have lower levels of stress and are generally happier than other population groups.

A friend explained it as “ignorance is bliss but stupidity is euphoric” — but we all know Republicans in general have some of the highest educational attainment so that cannot be correct.

 

Maybe you can answer the question then — what items have conservatives been on the correct side of?

Slavery? Women’s rights? Gay rights? Tax policy (some of the most prosperous times were during very high tax rates and we now have unprecedented rates of income inequality due to horse and sparrow economics)? Citizens United? Iraq war? Japanese detainment?

 

LOL, yes, "liberal/progressive policies that created America" did strike me as funny, The American Revolution was the culmination of Enlightment thought on ideas of individual rights and limited government, and it was truly revolutionary, and yet also conservative. Edmund Burke supported the revolution, and he was the epitome of an English conservative.

But that's what makes American conservatives "conservatives" today; they are the defenders of the revolution, They regard the American experience as a success and want to preserve that. That used to be called "liberal," Now, liberals oppose the revolution and disagree with it's gains. The Western world fractured at the French Revolution, which was far more the prototype of revolution in the West after that, Those revolutionaries were not looking to limit government, but to expand it to accommodate everything in the human experience. At that point the West fractured into "left" and "right." Although I suspect that now we may be fracturing along new lines in which the old terms like left and right don't really apply.

In the example I used in my post about ideas as mutations, the American Revolution was a "good" mutation, and has brought a society that has given the greatest good to the greatest number. However it's not reproduced very well, it requires too many conditions and prerequisites. A bad mutation like communism, is like a cancer. It's can spread everywhere even though it will eventually kill the host.

 

So you aren't a CONServative who supported policies listed?

If Democrats were wrong, please point it out. I'm not saying they are innocent, just that about 80% of the time on the correct side of history, the opposite of the right wingers!

 

So no you can't refute even a single item listed. Got it

 

Wait weren't the Founders the most liberal guys of their times? Weren't the Torrie's (loyalist) the CONS?


Classsical liberal? Oh wait did they follow that Adam Smith guy? Nope

The intellectual movement that they belonged to is known was the liberalism. It's the movement that defined Liberalism.

At the time the conservatives supported the established order of kings, they just wanted to king to lighten up a bit. Moderates wanted the colonies in America to have more self-rule, but still to live under the English King’s. The radical liberals that founded this country wanted none of that.

Conservatism exhibits the standpoint of paternalism or authority, rather than freedom.

 

Sorry I keep forgetting in right wing world ALL policies end the day the next Democratic Pres is elected, not even inaugurated, just elected

 

But everything you losted thus far is leftwing bs. The laffer curve has proven accurate. Taxes above 40% kill economic growth and strangles the middle class. The government controls three economic brakes, interest rates, regulations, and taxes. The left believes that two of the three should be shoved down as far as possible.

 

Yep nothing wrong in the USA or the world, everything hunky doorie

Kansas Provides Compelling Evidence of Failure of "Supply-Side" Tax Cuts
https://www.cbpp.org/research/state...elling-evidence-of-failure-of-supply-side-tax

Burying Supply-Side Once and for All
https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/29/burying-supply-side-once-and-for-all/

 

Didn't know that, cool

 

"The deficit has come down, and I give the Clinton Administration and President Clinton himself a lot of credit for that. [He] did something about it, fast. And I think we are seeing some benefits."
— Paul Volcker, Federal Reserve Board Chairman (1979-1987), in Audacity, Fall 1994

One of the reasons Goldman Sachs cites for the "best economy ever" is that "on the policy side, trade, fiscal, and monetary policies have been excellent, working in ways that have facilitated growth without inflation. The Clinton Administration has worked to liberalize trade and has used any revenue windfalls to reduce the federal budget deficit."
— Goldman Sachs, March 1998

"Clinton's 1993 budget cuts, which reduced projected red ink by more than $400 billion over five years, sparked a major drop in interest rates that helped boost investment in all the equipment and systems that brought forth the New Age economy of technological innovation and rising productivity."
— Business Week, May 19, 1997

 

Incompetence or malignancy - that's the question, ain't it?

 

LMAOROG

 

A lot of liberals in the CONfederate States of AmeriKKKa huh? Then and now?

 

Conservatives have spent a great deal of time and effort in recent years distorting the relationship between progressivism and America’s Founding. Progressives throughout history have venerated the ideals of America’s Founding, particularly as expressed in the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution, and have employed its inspirational values of human liberty, equality, and commitment to the general welfare as the underpinnings of their own search for social justice and freedom for all. There may not be a singular progressive viewpoint on our nation’s founding values, but nearly all progressives agree that the United States was created to fulfill a promise of free and equal political life for all of its citizens. The bulk of progressive activism and political thought over time has focused on bringing these core founding values into reality for all people.


...By the late 19th century, newly formed corporate entities had acquired “rights” originally intended solely for individual American citizens. Courts in that era treated commonplace reforms such as the ban on child labor and establishment of minimum-wage laws as constitutional violations of individual rights and the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. Progressives argued that this approach to the Constitution—exemplified in Lochner v. New York, which struck down limits on work hours as “unreasonable, unnecessary and arbitrary interference with the right and liberty of the individual to contract”—was logically incoherent and economically and socially disastrous.

Progressives rightly stated that corporations are not citizens and that the Constitution was not written to defend a laissez-faire approach to the economy or to prevent Congress from taking necessary steps to secure the well-being and opportunity of all Americans.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-progressivism-of-americas-founding/

 

So Ronnie's 50% top rate 1981-1987 strangled the US economy?

Hint there are many, many, many studies out there, none show taxes above 40% strangle anything

• The top U.S. income tax rate is currently well below best estimates of the optimal rate for revenue maximization.
• Recent research implies a revenue-maximizing top effective federal income tax rate of roughly 68.7 percent. This is nearly twice the top 35 percent effective marginal ordinary income tax rate that prevailed at the end of 2012, and 27.5 percentage points higher than the 41.2 percent rate in 2013. This would mean a top statutory income tax rate of 66.1 percent, 26.5 percentage points above the prevailing 39.6 percent top statutory rate.

• Tax reform that broadens the tax base and minimizes tax avoidance opportunities actually increases the revenue-maximizing top marginal tax rate. This means that base-broadening tax reform and higher marginal rates should be seen as complements, not substitutes.
• Analyses of top tax rate changes since World War II show that higher rates have no statistically significant impact on factors driving economic growth—private saving, investment levels, labor participation rates, and labor productivity—nor on overall economic growth rates.

https://www.epi.org/publication/raising-income-taxes/


Recent Studies Find Raising Taxes on High-Income Households Would Not Harm the Economy
https://www.cbpp.org/research/recen...-income-households-would-not-harm-the-economy


Effective Income Tax Rates Have Fallen for The Top One Percent Since World War II



https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/tax...es-have-fallen-top-one-percent-world-war-ii-0



Keeping tax low for the rich does not boost economy
https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2020/L-December/Tax-cuts-for-the-rich

 

I was a big fan of show when it ran, and I remember the scene.

 

More successful and less destructive than the Rusdsian or Grench revolutions?
Perhaps because America was TINY AND ISOLATED and separate from European interconnectedness.
Other than upsetting the then global trading system in cotton, tobacco and slaves no one cared about your revolution.

 

So, the rich haven't gotten richer under biden?

 

https://www.encyclopedia.com/articl...ood-stamps-health-insurance-and-pay-no-taxes/

 

You would be speaking German right now if it wasn't for the super power known as America. You should show a bit more gratitude.

 

Yep. so?

 

You mean England.

 

Tax cuts pay for nothing, let alone themselves. Their purpose is not to increase revenue. Their purpose is to deny revenue to the government in an attempt to curb spending. I don't think they can say that poliically.. Anything that decreases federal government revenue is a positive thing albeit a messy way to do things.