Saving Democracy is not the most important thing on the ballot in the midterms....

I think "naïve" was the word you were looking for to fabricate your projection defense mechanism. Electing MAGA-fanatics to Congress, hell-bent on promoting Trump to dictator is a much more effective way to destroy democracy than inciting a crowd of armed nuts to storm the Capitol.

That one is easy. Rule of law was "kicked down the curb" (whatever that means) during the Trump administration. It is more difficult to recover it than it is to erode it. That's the burden of this administration. And if it doesn't set it back at least to the level it was before the Trump years, the Biden Administration will be a complete an utter failure.

 

I was just testing the waters to see if you're a serious poster for whom it would be worth spending time preparing a serious answer. I guess you stating that January 6 was just a "protest" takes care of that question.

Thanks for playing....

 

Politically "naive" would certainly be one descripter . ... almost too polite in context however. .. Your claims about the elction effecting "Democracy - Rule of Law - Civil Liberties - Environment" were completely backwards from reality .. showing no understanding of the subject matter .. or the world around you for that matter.. so outlandish are your claims.

Whats more .. if that on most of the above you have been corrected previously .. in attition to the descriptive correction of each which you cherry pick out of my post and fail to address.

"Environment" for example "Not in my Back Yard - Dump it in the Ocean" is the Blue Team Policy .. a policy which seeks to increase both Ocean Pollution and CO2.

Complete and utter nonsense on your end .. in response to direct and enlightened criticism . crucifying your positon.

Your response is to run around crying "Trump Trump Trump" in some TDS rage. I never mentioned the man .. nor does he have anything to do with the mid-terms .. as he is not running .. and certainly nothing to do with your competely false and backward claim that the Environment is on the line .. such that Biden is our Savior.

What a joke of a response .. fallacy up the yang .. Non Squitur .. reduced to blathering nonsense ..spittle dripping down chin.

Quit pretending you don't know what "Kicked to the Curb" means and that you know what Rule of Law is .. never mind know how it has been violated by either side. This we can I suppose write down to "naive" .. as have not schooled you on this one as much as the other ..

but no excuse in any case .. for the ridiculous dyslexic fantasy land perspective you wish to promote.

 

This thread is about democracy. I have ZERO interest in explaining Climate Change to Science deniers. There are other threads that do that.

As far as the REAL topic of this thread, MAGA-extremists have ALREADY tried to promote the disgraced, twice impeached, pathological liar to dictator. Now MAGA-extremists are going for positions in Congress. That is clearly dangerous to our democracy.

But obviously you have no response to the above reality, and your intention was simply to derail the thread in an attempt to hide facts.

It didn't work....

 

You were the one that made it about Climate - Civil Liberties - Rule of Law.. now you run around crying it is not the topic .. after getting crucified for promoting a position that is the Reverse of Reality.

So not only in denial of being corrected on those issues .. but for some reason all you can do is run around Crying Trump Trump .. in some deranged TDS rant .. which has nothing to do with the issues at hand .. the effect of this election on "Climate - Rule of law - Civil Liberties" ..

Your claim that democracy in general is at stake ..as "Naive" as you put it .. as it gets. What about Democracy that hasn't already been subverted is at stake .. and you don't even have a clue what it is that has been subverted .. so out of the loop.

Then you cry that I am the one hiding from the facts .. in your dyslexic fantasy land strawman .. projection of exactly what you are doing .. on to me

Which facts that I presented havn't you hidden from .. your whole post being an exercize in hiding .. starting with denial of your own posts .. trying to backtrack away from your claims about Rule of Law - Climate - Civil liberties .. and of course Democracy.

Hoplessly lost and out of the loop in each instance .. the fantasyland position you are promoting the reverse of reality .. in each instance.

 

That's right. Climate is NOT the topic. Rule of law IS one of the topics, along with Democracy. Clearly you have nothing to say about those... My case is made by the absence of a rebuttal.

Thanks for playing.

 

If "Climate" is not the topic .. will not be affected by the election outcome ... then why did you claim it would be .. What a joke .. in denial of your own post just a few back.

I said plenty about Rule of Law and Democracy .. to which you have not responded .. other than twirling around crying Trump Trump Trump.

You claim The Rule of Law is on the line ... How so .. Do tell us and prove me wrong that you have no clue about the Rule of Law.
You claim Democracy is on the line .. How so . Do tell and prove me wrong that you have no clue.

and you got crucified on Climate -- the reverse of your claim is true .. Biden is horrible for "Climate" now tell us about the others.. Why Biden good for the Rule of Law .. "Democracy" so we can all have a good chuckle.. at your expense going forward.... .

 

LOLOL! Actually, that would be the operation of democracy.

 

As ridiculous as that lil comparison is Yup! Although this does lend a LOT of validity to my posts how ridiculously dramatic the left have become

For that I thank you and applaud your performance

 

Yeah some people are buying it. The same people that screeched at the sky, cast magic spells at Trump and wailed about "Russian collusion" for 4 years.

Normal people, not so much.

 

Yep, if the supreme court hands down the ruling in favor of the independent state legislature theory and these anti democracy republics take control of enough states or even congress you can kiss this democracy good bye.

I don't doubt for a second that a republican controlled house would be a circus and refuse to certify the presidential election if the democrats won.

Democracy dies in a few simple steps.

1. Election deniers/anti democracy officials get elected to SOS positions and the state legislature.
2. They refuse to certify democrat wins and hand elections to the GOP.
3. The federal courts don't intervene because "Independent state legislature"
4. They hand pick GOP electors.
5. They have enough states and never lose the presidency again.

 

No, judges like Judge Arthur Engoron who just appointed a monitor over the Trump organization because of the "“persistent misrepresentations throughout every one of Mr. Trump’s [Statements of Financial Condition] between 2011 and 2021.” and "Defendants have failed to submit an iota of evidence or an affidavit from any one with personal knowledge rebutting" the attorney general's "comprehensive demonstration of persistent fraud."

Or Judge David Carter who ruled, “Based on the evidence, the Court finds it more likely than not that President Trump corruptly attempted to obstruct the Joint Session of Congress on January 6, 2021."

 

Ah yes. Thanks to Leticia James admitting she was going to investigate a person instead of a crime, she'll never land anything on him.

Only a moron wouldn't realize that the owner of a property doesn't set the value of something. They can use at least 3 different methods I can think of off the top of my head to determine THEIR asking price for commercial property. That's why banks, insurance companies, and anyone else does their own valuation before buying. That's called "negotiation".

Tell everyone your 1998 Ford Probe is worth $200,000, then try to get it insured for $200k and/or sell it.

I mean every democrat in the country, every security agency, four years of lying to FISA courts, using leaks to justify the investigation of documents they created, and they still have a big goose egg.

Keep tilting at the windmill.

It's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see how that works out for you.

Meanwhile, Gotham city's crime continues to explode while James fiddles.

 

And your ignoring the hundreds of other progressive protests proves your lack of objectivity. You people will say anything to stay in power.

 

It's not even on the ballot.

 

Okay well 2 can play at that game.

The democrat states should then pool all the candidates into one giant election for the House of Representatives. California instead of voting in 54 districts has all survivors of the primary on a ballot where people vote for 54 candidates. Nothing in the constitution required individual districts. The GOP would risk losing a lot of seats if they tried this because it's much closer in GOP states than Sold blue states.

 

Well yeah, both parties are running off of aged ideas and tactics. Neither resonates with a younger crowd, it’s mostly boomers that get all caught up in the propaganda.

Obstruction is not the destruction of democracy, it’s just annoying. And propaganda is a part of any healthy democracy. What’s more concerning is Republicans have a knack for restricting voting, and some districts a democrat has to poll +10 to have a chance due their gerrymandering. I would agree these are afflictions on the aura of democracy we give our country. But these are ancient practices, and to say our democracy ends if Republicans win a midterm sounds like Democrat propaganda to me.

Politicians never face responsibility for their crimes. It’s become engrained in the American dream, if you’re wealthy and powerful enough the law doesn’t apply to you. I don’t agree with that, but welcome to reality. You can’t make exceptions based upon your partisan leanings, that’s just more fodder for the machine; but yeah, I’ll admit some are more guilty of that than others.

Let’s say Republicans gain full control and seek to end voting nationwide, they want Congress to elect Senators like some weirdo Republican said. Will people stand for this? And if they do, did they really ever deserve a democracy in the first place?

 

"... they want Congress to elect Senators like some weirdo Republican said." YBIG

Source please.

 

I think the younger crowd needs to stop waiting for "both parties" to resonate with them, and they themselves start resonating in the parties. You know who had new ideas and resonated with the younger crowd? Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega, ... The "younger crowd" needs to understand that THEY are the ones who must come up with the new ideas, and fight tooth and nail to achieve them. The Parkland kids, Greta Thunberg... MANY young people have taken it upon themselves to fight for "new ideas". They should wait for the political parties to just "hand" them new ideas. THEY need to fight for them. I did my part when I was young. We fought against the draft, against Viet Nam....

This is not a question of "both parties". Today there is ONE party where they can carry out the fight for new ideas. They have to take them upon themselves to start.

They won't. But when they realize what they have lost it might be too late.

 

Federal law does.

 

The young crowd isn’t asking for much besides a voice and a chance, which by the approximation of this thread is set to be silenced. Though as is always the case, the current generation in power will divert their responsibility of failure onto others, thus absolving themselves.

This is the trend, and it’s a dire mistake, if democracy lies in the balance, the younger vote (the ones most likely to ignore polls) is the game changer. And they’ve been offered some of the worst election choices in history.

I’ll agree, they don’t have much choice. I can stare into the abyss and witness the impending doom of our nation. This is if the Republicans pull off their perfect victory, and in their childish grandeur declare elections are fair if they win and cheating if they don’t. Possible sure, but it is so ****ing stupid.

We’re at the tipping point where anti-wokeness is more cringe than wokeness (as for the truly woke, look for where that term stems from and you’ll find it’s appropriation appalling and the rhetoric against it illuminating). I’d fully expect this class of Republicans to fall flat on their face because they are so incompetent.

That’s not to say incompetents can’t cause damage, they certainly can. But there’s something about incompetents that seems to be overlooked… they are weak. The Republican party is primed to be stomped on and have its throat ripped out. Why don’t democrats do it? Republican propaganda is juvenile, they have no solutions to any problem in the world, even the one’s they’ve created.

Why still do democrats play pattycakes and feign an aura of professionalism when Republicans destroyed that long ago? And even when they hit them hard, they hold back while Republicans whimper and whine about how unfair they’re being treated. Knock their dick in the dirt, stomp on their chest, make them call on their daddy. If you have to wrestle with pigs get in the mud and make them squeel.

The younger crowd gets this, and long before saw the problems brought up here while everyone was still feigning centrism. I’m voting democrat down the ballot, because I’m so fed up with Republican bullshit. Not because I think democrats have anything to offer me. And there’s only two real parties so I suppose I must submit to the binary machine.

 

That's a blanket statement that is not based on reality. There are good candidates, mediocre candidates and lousy candidates. Same as in every election in our history. Just that this time, most of the ones that are verifiably lousy are concentrated in one political party.

 

WGN reported, "Illinois’ controversial SAFE-T Act is once again in question after a judge made a major change to it Wednesday.

"Kankakee County Chief Judge Thomas Cunnington’s ruling sides with prosecutors and sheriffs from across the state. But the ruling will only effect a portion of the SAFE-T Act.'

"And state leaders plan to take to the fight to the Supreme Court.'

"Cunnington’s ruling stated that 'the appropriateness of bail rests with the authority of the court and may not be determined by legislative fiat.'

"The ruling came after more than 60 different lawsuits were combined and filed by sheriffs and prosecutors who said the legislation violates the separation of powers and improperly amended the state constitution."

Some 'Democrats are such cynics that they named a bill that endangers the public' "SAFE-T."

We'll see how this works out.