Is wokeness the remedy to fascism?

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  1. bobobrazil

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    whatever, have a nice day
     
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    Minorities do. Ask Obama or Lloyd Austin.
     
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    Fault for what? We've had a black President. Blacks have held Cabinet level jobs. So have Hispanics and other minorities.
     
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    nothing outdated about that conclusion. christian nationalism is a real and present threat to democracy.
     
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    Do you think the morons that act as those CRT is not complete hogwash voted for Trump because I doubt there's an overlap there.
     
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    Christian nationalism is the nothing more than the left's latest 'Oh look a squirrel' moment.
     
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    chtistian nationalism us a 40 tear (at least) project of the evangelical leaders and corporate class that is coming to fruition. only the defeat of their chosen leader has slowed this movement just a little.
     
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    is wokeness the remedy to facism? Is this a stupid question? lmao.
     
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    Wokesters believe in, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need". That's straight out from Karl Marx. So yeah, wokesters are commies.
     
  10. Golem

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    So you conclude that they mean the same thing from a text that lists them as two separate things.

    Interesting...
     
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    Individuals who believe in victimology will always find 'problematics'.
     
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    In their heads that may be so, but in practice they despise it. They would NEVER willingly accept the work-to-eat proviso. It comes with obligation, conformity, answerability, and personal responsibility.
     
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    LOL .. yeah, not in the face of Progressivism it isn't. The Progs have about a thousand times more power.
     
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    Communism has nothing to do with everyone earning his keep
     
  15. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    False! I called Tucker Carlson and Ron DeSantis and... similar wingnut media darlings "fascists". Most of those who disparage it don't even know what it means. That's why I provided the definition. Which is useless to posters who respond to a post that they haven't even read.

    I encourage you to READ what you are responding to next time.
     
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    ridiculous.
     
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    That was definitely not my conclusion. Anyone who reads the part of my post that you left out will see that. Not sure what you think you're winning by doing that...
     
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    Because it's a red herring. You provided a quote in which CRT and "wokeness" are separate things. To which you then added your own comments trying to make it look as if they weren't separate in the text you yourself had just quoted. That's called a red herring. And that most definitely justifies eliminating it.
     
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    He prefers to debate against his version of what you said rather than yours. It's easier for him.
     
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    Which part of "...the universal demand for justice — which is the real meaning of CRT and “Wokeness”" makes you think the speaker was identifying them as separate things?
     
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    I think you already know the answer to that seeing how you changed your wording from the original definitive and very clear "mean the same thing" to a more vague "separate things". Most definitely NEITHER of them is separate from the universal demand for justice (look up the meaning of the word "universal"). Just like other issues such as women's rights, minority rights, child labor, war crimes,... and many many etceteras, are "not separate" from the "universal demand for justice". But they absolutely DO NOT mean the same thing.

    And all this just to avoid making your comments about CRT in the thread that IS about CRT.... And in which CRT is already explained.

    Sounds to me like you did too much tap dancing to feign not understanding....
     
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    What we call "wokeness" is nothing more than adults having tantrums over things they were told are offensive. Did you know that a Dorito chip is a nazi symbol?
     
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    The author says they both mean the same thing. Thats what I said he said because that's what he said. Your mental gymnastics, while impressive, are not working.
     
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    Well... if he said it, I disagree. But I doubt he said it or you would have quoted him, instead of quoting the part where he lists them as separate things.

    You see, academia is not like right-wing politics where you have to agree with EVERYTHING or you're dubbed a "RINO" or something.... People disagree. But not about the meaning of words or about the name of a framework, but about the underlying concepts. And you appear to be hung up on disagreeing about a very straightforward definition.
     
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    The Great Silencing of America and the Hallmarks of Woke ...
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    Sep 29, 2020 — We argue that Wokeness is a totalitarian ideology and movement analogous to old-style Communism and Fascism, totalizing mid-century cults ...

    ". . . We argue that Wokeness is a totalitarian ideology and movement analogous to old-style Communism and Fascism, totalizing mid-century cults such as Scientology, and the present-day totalitarian Islamism of ISIS. If we are to preclude the rise of this new totalitarian form of governance in our country as the successor to the failed neoliberal oligarchical state we have now, it is necessary that we act resolutely while it is still possible to divert it from taking up the central position in our long-term individual and collective futures.

    We set forth those characteristics that identify Wokeness as totalitarian, with the understanding that its (lack of) leadership structure, which seems to be a feature of all major 21st-century Western political movements thus far, constitutes an historical exception to the norm. Historically, totalitarian ideologies and movements have not been able to take root except in the presence of already permissive environments of fading or faded authority. While healthy, functioning democracies will automatically repel and reject them outright as preposterous and immediately relegate them to the fringes of the political discourse, in those spaces where Wokeness has taken hold, not only in the United States but throughout the Western world, we no longer have healthy, functioning democracies. . . . "
     
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