Is wokeness the remedy to fascism?

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Being woke and aware is one thing, manipulating history, cherry picking facts, and apply fallacious reasoning to arrive at a position solely built of self gratification and superiority is another.

    Nobody denies slavery happened. Nobody denies that all races have been subjected to racism. Everybody is AWARE.

    Some choose to use this awareness to then create victims groups and advocate to them for political gain. That type of wokeness is what's up for discussion.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By individuals, or systematic?
     
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    Being woke means you oppose interracial marriage. It means you want segregation in public places.

    Bring up to protest if you justify this by saying it's white people conquering people of color or it's offering people of color a space to protect themselves they even use terms like people of color it's the 1950s.

    Work is not the remedy of fascism it's the cause of it. Are you that's why it's Fringe left make no mistake it is absolutely Fringe
     
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    None of those men you listed are fascists.

    Fascism does not exist out side of some very hard to find fringe radicals and ANTIFA

    Inequality is not a basic precept of fascism

    You really need to do better you never succeed in living up to trhe standards of that signet at the bottom of your posts
     
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    Wokeness is a remedy for the emotionally fragile.
     
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    I'm sure that definition helps the fascists justify their actions.
     
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    Who exactly are you referring to as 'mediocre performers' & 'superior performers'?

    Do you consider wealthy people as 'superior performers'?

    With your terms, how do you view members of money-less, cooperative socialist indigenous cultures?

    When you say it's 'unfair to remove resources from superior performers', what 'resources' specifically are you referring to? And why is it unfair?

    The CLT is a meaningless tool regarding the distribution of 'intelligence' because (1) there are many forms of intelligence, and (2) it tells us nothing about a person's practical abilities, resourcefulness, hidden talents/special abilities, or emotional intelligence.

    For CLT to provide any useful analysis, one needs to formulate a strictly standardized definition of 'intelligence' (eg, a test), the results of which would only be relevant to that strict standard (eg, test results). A person who aces the MCAT test might be a horrible doctor, while another person who scores poorly on the MCAT might turn out to be a highly respected & talented doctor. The materialist paradigm of today's monetary/capitalist society lacks openness & receptiveness to all forms of intelligence.

    Logically speaking, earth's human population is ~8 billion. You don't believe there are literally billions of smart people among them who could easily hold high-level jobs if given the educational opportunity? Capitalism is impeding humanity's socio-economic & technological advancement by wasting good minds on useless/BS jobs that serve only to enrich the Few at the expense of the Many.

    Such remarks are an example of the modal fallacy & also the definist fallacy.

    Marxism has no relevance to my argument----only LOGIC.
     
  8. Jolly Penguin

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    I think a new word is needed, because "woke" could mean being aware of racism and other social ills, which is good, or being illiberal and authoritarian and discriminatory thinking you aren't.

    There is a HUGE difference between the two, so we should distinguish them.

    "woke", "progressive", "anti-racist" are none of those things if they are based on racial or other prejudice, oppose free speech, and seek power and control instead of freedom.

    This is the opposite of liberal, and actual liberals need to stand up to it and call it out, or risk being absorbed by the "woke" mob, as conservatives and centrists then think they are the same.
     
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    1938 son by Lead Belly. But if you finally decided to start doing research, don't spend time researching THAT. People on the right have a huge back-log of research, and they need to catch up. This shouldn't be their priority.

    It hasn't gone much of a transition between 1938 and 2014 when it resurfaced with the BLM movement except to expand it into other areas of civil liberties. What you call "transition" is Tucker Carlson and Breitbart shooting their mouth out of pure ignorance and using it for their propaganda purposes.
     
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    And who enables that? Liberals who fail to call out the illiberal authoritarian left, fail to distinguish it from liberalism and clamp down on it. It is very easy for folks like Tucker to then point at the "woke" and paint the whole left like that. When the truth is that the illiberal authoritarian left has more in common with the far right white supremacy types than they do most actual liberals or conservatives.
     
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    This is old now, but perfectly demonstrates the above point:



    Woke and Racist really do have the same basis.
     
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    Precisely. The latter is what I would call crazy 'wokism'. I never liked the term 'woke' anyway. It too easily creates the image of an irrational fringe/crackpot group to the benefit of those who oppose meaningful / rational social changes, which then results in further social division. We have to get past labels (which I've been guilty of not doing) and focus on logic. Logic is not debatable.
     
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    100%. I think you're probably confusing the natural evolution of words in people's minds, with Tucker Carlson, Breitbart... and other fascist media twisting them to fool their gullible audience.
     
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    There is nothing logical or natural about modern leftists usage of the English language and their attempts to redefine words.
     
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    What they are not aware of are the consequences of slavery and Jim Crowe that last to this day. And your first paragraph is clear evidence of this.
     
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    Surely the antifascists can stop fascism by attacking you with mobs and beating you until stop opposing and criticizing them.
     
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    Yes, liberals do enable Tucker Carlson and Breitbart to shoot their mouth. It's a necessary evil of living in a Democratic nation. We clamp down on it with facts. I would not be in favor of clamping down on it by shutting them up. Only fascists do that. But media fascists like Tucker and others will always have their cult-like audience.
     
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    There's a difference between allowing and enabling. Free speech is a good thing. I would not be in favour of shutting them up either. But I would be in favour of making it clear the entire left isn't illiberal authoritarian and prejudice, which Tucker is able to paint the whole left as because too few actual liberals speak up against the "woke"..
     
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    I'm not confusing anything. THAT is the subject. Just take a look at a dictionary to see how it's been changed. Naturally, you can accept the changes or ignore them but you have to (must?) hold your own standard and not accept this but ignore that. If I now say that you are gay would you protest, clarify, or just accept it without a whimper?
     
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    Antifa Fascists get the Musky Boot!

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    Our Constitution stops woke Fascists.
     
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    Tucker is not a fascist.

    There are no fascists to speak of

    You still do not live up to that stupid signet
     
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    If you did the research, I'd think you would have included the song in your post, it was an interview :) ;)

     
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    The consequences will always remain. The consequences of Japanese internment will always remain. Chinese slave labor for the railroads will always remain.

    Your version of "woke" wants to be hyper selective in which historical events require social justice, falsely believing somehow this will alleviate the consequences.

    It won't. It will only perpetuate division and continue racial inequality, and not for all races or victim groups, but only those you deem worthy of your woke agenda.
     
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    The left and their hero's ;)
    The creator of the word "WOKE" :) Better be "Woke/Alert" and sleep with one eye open around ol Lead Belly!
     
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    Affirmative action is one problem as stated. Giving college seats to people based on race rather than credentials is literally giving away resources that would otherwise be better used on qualified credentials
     
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