New DeSantis immigration law backfires as farmers and hotels struggle to find workers

There are literally hundreds of programs and free programs that can, and frequently do last an entire lifetime, for multiple generations, even. Whether it's rent controlled or otherwise subsidized housing, free phones for those deemed 'poor', EBT cards, subsidized transportation, and so on. All of these programs need to end, and I do mean ALL of them, for able-bodied adults who have the ability to provide their own needs.

 

You've asked a loaded question.

Sorry, you'll need to prove your premise before you can base a question upon it.

 

He is responsible for the new law in his state, making life harder for immigrants.

 

Illegal immigrants should not be here to start with.

 

they are here, 15 million of them, 20% of the US Population, and deporting all of them isn't feasible, desirable, nor practical.

Saying 'they shouldn't be here' is a statement without any meaning.

Saying 'they should follow the law' doesn't solve the problem of farmers having trouble getting produce to market.

 

Saying disobey the law is not the solution.

 

Undocumented in the US represent some 15 million persons, 20% of the population.

Deporting all of them is well nigh impossible, nor is it desirable. A sudden loss of 20% of the work force would ahve dire consequences in the US

If you want to complain that they should never had come, they have been coming for centuries, so you can't pin it on any one President. .

Equating undocumented with slavery is specious reasoning.

In my view the only solution is to help the countries from where most of them are coming, which is Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, make their economies better, similar to what we did for Mexico (the 'maquiladora' programs), which resulted in much fewer Mexican undocumented persons crossing the border. If we made drugs legal, that would pull the rug out of the cartels in those countries, who are persecuting their population which is why they are coming here. The fact is, it is America's desire for illegal drugs that is driving the problem more than any other factor.

Republicans, in their simplistic thinking, believe the problem is simple, just close border.

No, you can't close the border, the best we can do is control it. Roughly half of undocumented are visa overstays.

You can bitch about Biden all you want, but this idea the Republicans are the solution, well, no president, in our entire history, has really solved the problem.

 

Many on EBT are working, but are underpaid. So, what that is is de facto welfare for corporations. So, how about we make them pay them enough so that they don't have to go on food stamps? Taxpayers are subsidizing Walmart and McDonald what those corporations should be paying employees in the first place.

The point is, as long as we have a situation where we allow corporations to under pay people, you can't get rid of EBT. Force them to pay enough to eat, and THEN get rid of the program.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/walmart-mcdonalds-largest-employers-snap-medicaid-recipients

 

After all your lengthy post it comes to simple facts.

Blue state collects lot more federal tax because 70% US GDP are from blue district and send that money to RED state to keep the lights on.

 

And just like that, the extreme left tells us they support illegal behavior.

And just like that, the left tells us they support illegal behavior. "I'm not for illegal immigration, but I'm against preventing the violation of immigration laws."

Sorry, that's supporting illegal immigration and criminal behavior.

 

Send me some name of those programs . lets see the list.

 

Unless you are in blue state, let’s not claim “ we all pay taxes”.

It’s really the most oxymoron thing in American politics. We liberal pay the most taxes which goes to RED state for welfare program and we the liberal want to have more welfare program for the poor and raise taxes ( our own tax) . On the other hand, red state where taxes are low, wages are low and people live in poverty and live on those welfare programs, they wants to cut taxes and cut welfare program.

Any way , have a nice day. As I have said conservative ideology belongs in 17th century and not 21st century.

 

All you did was avoid the issue. You expect tax money to pay for your choice of employment.

 

I expect tax payer pay for education , choice of employment, health care, transportation , retirement fund, recreation fund etc. and I have no problem paying 40% to 60% taxes.

But as I said, we the liberal pay all the taxes and those taxes goes to red state to keep the lights on. If red state people would work as hard as we do in Blue state, may be we could have those nice things, but for now we have to pay higher taxes to keep the lights on in Red state.

 

Even if true, it is not relevant to this conversation.

I prefer my taxes go to people who need it, not someone working the system.

 

Maybe now license contractors won't be undercut by Jack legs. Or at least as many of them.

 

I didn't load the question, you did.



Enforcing the same law against illegals that you and I are under is by you considered "making life more difficult for illegals in Florida." The problem your argument has is that if we're treated equally under law, the illegals are going to come out the worse for it because I'm obeying the law and the illegals (and their employers) are not. They're criminals.

So you seem to be opposed to enforcing even the most rudimentary labor laws where illegals are involved, so why bother having them?

 

You have to pay taxes first. Conservative don’t.

 

Is that in the Constitution?

 

it's right here

 

And that is relevant how?

 

It's ironic that people think that by not directly endorsing criminal behavior by illegal immigrants that it's somehow acceptable if they implicitly support it. It's downright hilarious that people adamantly oppose a law solely because it makes it more difficult for illegal immigrants to break existing laws while also pretending they don't favor illegal immigration.

Their argument is effectively, "look how stupid DeSantis is. He signed a law that makes it harder for illegal immigrants to commit crimes. What a moron! By the way, I don't support illegal immigration, I just think the state should allow them to violate laws and commit crimes related to their illegal status at will."

 

You don’t find it relevant that Blue state send their hard earn tax to Red state to keep lights on?

 

Folks, this one is quite confused.

 

I think at this point, they've mostly stopped pretending they care about enforcing laws, or about the law in general. They used to argue that we need amnesty so these illegals will be legal, now they argue that we need amnesty AND leave the illegals alone,