No, Trump is not Hitler

Only a true devout MAGA would call holding a criminal accountable for their crimes a "trick"

 

That is what I call the victimless "crime" in New York.

He has not been convicted of a crime in a criminal court. He is still innocent of any crime under the law.

 

Trump is the inevitable result of digital media and the internet. Digital media makes it cheap to produce slick narratives, and the internet makes it cheap to send them out to the masses. The masses get to participate by echoing the media and further distributing it.

So the political parties have lost the ability to keep control of the campaigns, which they used to do with the cooperation of the major newspaper chains, mass circulation news magazines, and the three major TV networks. Now campaigns and PACs can go direct to consumer in the marketplace of politics, just like Amazon goes direct in goods, and Netflix streams movies they produce.

I don't believe there was a previous halcyon days when politicians didn't lie to the public. But the really dirty tricks could only be done via direct mail, push polls, or limited circulation newsletters or periodicals.

 

The framers gave us the inherent right to reform the government to our choosing. I don't care about the 'experiences' of those who aren't part of this electorate and incapable of making those decisions and choices. The dictator, contrary to cartoon-ish perspectives by our media(who by your own account knows nothing of the sort) in reality has to abide by the wishes of his people, lest he be thrown out.

It's not an illusion of choice like in our fake ass democracy, it's a real choice that has the ultimate fate of the government and society in the balance.

 

No they didn't! There is no "right" to dispense with democracy and turn us into a dictatorship. In fact, there are clear steps in the Constitution explicitly intended to stop that from happening. But, of course, there was no way for them to take into account every single possible element. Including the current proliferation of voter stupidity.

A dictator becomes a dictator PRECISELY so they can't be thrown out. But your defense of dictatorships is dully noted.

 

So far, the democrats have demonstrated more dictatorship than Trump with their efforts to keep him from running for president.

 

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

They didn't give us the 'means and methods' per se, but they gave us the explicit permission(perhaps the election can be seen as one of those means and methods). Hell, you acknowledge that in your fear of Trump turning us into a dictatorship. What the framers never envisioned, was us staying married to one political ideology like a dogma or a creed. Dare I say, a cult even.

Democracy is a curse and a plague on the United States. Since calling itself a democracy, it has gotten into wars. Its representatives have given up any pretense of caring for its constituents and the failure of democracy is so extensive it has to piggy back on the 'virtue' of voting(which in of itself, has no virtue)

A dictator can consolidate power, yes. But if you think they can't be thrown out, what do you make of Qaddafi? What was the purpose of the ill-thought and ill-gained NATO invasion of Libya? Hell, what was the hope early in the Ukrainian war? That there be an uprising to oust Putin.

Such hopes wouldn't exist, if dictatorships couldn't be overthrown. So very clearly they can be overthrown.

A democracy, by means of its convoluted and numbers-majority system could not be overthrown easily. JFK/Lincoln's murder did not affect the union beyond a few days(and in JFK's case, a few hours as LBJ was sworn in).

Ssddam's death left a wake in Iraq, Gaddafi's in Libya. Those countries did not have the stability to survive their overthrows. A democracy gives us the illusion of freedom while trapping us with no options.

 

Here's your problem as I see it.

You've taken Trump (yes, we know, you hate Trump and all things connected to Trump) statements and compared them to one of the most evil and feared people in human history.
And you have found comparisons to hoot about.
Good job.

Now, if you did the same thing with other public figures, say Joe Biden, you'd find similar comparisons.
Hitler, for example, hated blacks. You can find several of Joe's speeches where he doesn't want his kids in school with blacks, or doesn't want them bussed, and so forth. To say nothing of "corn pop".
You'd find that other public figures have lied to us, have sold their office, have repulsed segments of American society. Your problem as I see it is that you are obsessed with all things Trump.

You perhaps might want to sit back and seriously ask yourself how you got to this point, and what you'll do to regain your normal life, the one you had before Trump came down that escalator.

 

Trump isn't going to commit genocide against anyone...lol

 

Nor does he seem keen on fighting a two-front war - or even a one-front.

 

You know, during the 2016 election there was another candidate who was compared to Hitler too. I remember it well...

There is a spectre haunting America’s college campuses, artesian bakeries, hookah bars, and Whole Food’s organic foods departments. That spectre is Bernie Sanders. In speeches to overflowing crowds as he crisscrosses the country, the stern old man often raises his right arm to exhort the crowd of mindless followers. Promising assorted benefits if they vote for him, and taken from minority communities that Sanders names as enemies to the country, he preaches a chilling intolerance to his amped up crowds.

It’s a crowd, by the way that does not look like America. The Berniejugend are quite monochrome in their whiteness. With eye colors from gray to hazel, and hair color from bleached blond to streaked brown, they appear to be a single Volk, united in their subjugation to Sander’s harsh diatribes against those he points out as enemies. Just think of a few comparisons we can draw from history…

Bernie Sanders lives in almost all white State.

Hitler lived in an almost all white country.

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Bernie Sanders is a socialist.

Hitler was a national socialist.

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Bernie Sanders supports national healthcare.

Hitler supported national healthcare.

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As a youth, Bernie Sanders was arrested protesting government policies.

Aa a youth, Hitler was arrested protesting government policies.

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Bernie Sanders blames a small minority engaged in finance for the nation’s problems.

Hitler blamed a small minority engaged in finance…well you get the idea.



Be afraid. Run to the closet, shut the door, and cover yourself with a blanket.

Oh and bring a flashlight, because the lamps are going out in America. We may not see them lit again in our lifetimes.

 

Hitler had a stache and I don't think Trump can grow facial hair. I think according to OP's standards this means Trump is actually NOT Hitler

 

Did Trump also make the trains run on time? Most of what Hitler and Trump both said in the OP is standard things politicians say. I see little reason to read any more into it than that.

If Trump was the horrible monster he is so often claimed to be, he would have done more damage in his first term.....

 

The problem with the one government idea, it's too utopian,and it would be irresistible for demagogues to try and take it, one would inevitably come to power, and then there would be no hope for the world, after that. Better to have the world decentralized.

 

Name one.

don't count your chickens.

 

"What I am NOT doing is comparing Hitler's atrocities and implying Trump will 'do as Hitler did'"

Very good. But then what is the point of comparing Trump to Hitler? The genocides, the invasions, the extrajudicial imprisonments and executions, the forced labor... those are the things that made Hitler terrible. Before Hitler did those things, he was considered by much of the world to be a great leader, and indeed before Hitler did those things, Germany was having an unprecedented rise in prosperity, productivity, quality of life and general happiness. Germans would not have followed him to oblivion otherwise. So if you're not suggesting Trump will do as Hitler did, what is the point of 'rhetorically' comparing the two?

 

My comparison was perfectly defined, the opposite of specious

Your comparisons are text book examples of speciousness.

I consulted ChatGPT-4 to find out what was wrong with your comparisons, and though ChatGPT can get it wrong, one has to fact check, but here, on things like 'opinions' and comments of the nature you posted, I think it's output is accurate, and I therefore claim the response as my own. Feel free to refute, if you can.

You insinuation seems to be drawing parallels that are not substantiated by the broader and more nuanced reality of their policies, ideologies, and the historical and cultural contexts in which they existed.

1. Demographics of Residence

• Bernie Sanders lives in an almost all-white state.
• Hitler lived in an almost all-white country.

Demographics are a function of geography and history, not a choice reflecting ideology. Sanders' living in Vermont, a state with a high white demographic, is a consequence of historical migration patterns and other socio-economic factors unrelated to personal ideology or policies. Similarly, Hitler's Germany's demographics were a result of historical state formation and population movements. Drawing a parallel between these two based on demographics oversimplifies complex historical realities and ignores the fact that demographic composition does not inform, dictate, or correlate with one's ideological beliefs directly.

2. Political Ideology

• Bernie Sanders is a socialist.
• Hitler was a national socialist.

This comparison misrepresents both ideologies. Bernie Sanders identifies as a democratic socialist, advocating for policies like universal healthcare, tuition-free public colleges, and addressing income inequality, all within a democratic political system. Hitler's National Socialism, on the other hand, was a fascist ideology that promoted racial purity, militarism, and authoritarian control, with a fundamentally different understanding of "socialism" that was more about subjugating people to state control rather than promoting social welfare. Equating the two ignores the profound differences in their ideologies and objectives.

3. Healthcare

• Bernie Sanders supports national healthcare.
• Hitler supported national healthcare.

Support for national healthcare is a policy position held by many politicians worldwide and does not reflect underlying ideologies of authoritarianism or democracy. The motivation, implementation, and values underlying Sanders' support for national healthcare are grounded in beliefs about human rights and equality, differing fundamentally from any system Hitler might have supported, which would have been designed to serve his regime's broader goals of control and exclusion.

4. Protest History

• As a youth, Bernie Sanders was arrested protesting government policies.
• As a youth, Hitler was arrested protesting government policies.

Protesting government policies is a broad action that can reflect vastly different causes and ideologies. Sanders was arrested for protesting against racial segregation, demonstrating a commitment to civil rights and equality. The reasons for Hitler's arrests included activities that were part of his rise to power, promoting an ideology of hate and exclusion. The nature, cause, and ideology behind the protests are crucial for understanding the differences in their actions.

5. Financial Sector Criticism

• Bernie Sanders blames a small minority engaged in finance for the nation's problems.
• Hitler blamed a small minority engaged in finance...

This comparison dangerously simplifies and distorts both figures' views. Sanders criticizes the unchecked power of Wall Street and the financial sector's role in contributing to economic inequality, advocating for regulatory reform. Hitler's blame was part of a broader, viciously antisemitic narrative that targeted Jews as scapegoats for Germany's problems, leading to horrific consequences. Sanders' critique is part of economic policy debate, while Hitler's was a component of his genocidal ideology.

 

New York conviction for fraud with no victims and banks agreeing to the loans and saying they would do it again.

 

Wow.

You realize that was written as a joke, right?

 

I don't know if you'd agree with this, but I want to run it by you: Every single person/human is a demagogue in a way. We all want approval, acceptance and love and we'll all try our damnedest to achieve this. What democracy is, is an attempt to mitigate humanity's demagogue nature through the numbers over the individual.

The end effect of this however is a government that lacks vision, because it's so muddled with so many voices.

As opposed to what we would frame as the 'demagogue' leader and the government centered around him/her. Gone are the crowds of infighting, in its place a singular direction that the government can proceed in.

 

That's nonsense. There is no permission in the Constitution to violate the Constitution.

Dictatorship has NOTHING to do with ideology. Most dictators don't even HAVE an ideology.

Anyway... now we know that this is what you are advocating for. It might even be conceivable... very marginally.... an opinion that maybe, with a huge stretch of the imagination, one might somehow say (not without a red face) we could respect. But you're not just advocating for a dictatorship. You're advocating for a TRUMP dictatorship. The least you could have done is show the minimum respect for your country, our laws and the Constitution by advocating for a dictatorship by somebody who is not two IQ points from being officially diagnosed a full-fledged moron.

I cannot respect your opinion... I'm not sure I could ever respect ANY opinion coming from somebody who believes such a thing.

 

Of course they lied, but the factchecking came before the printing, and the impact was mitigated. Now it hits social media and then literally becomes a social media parasite latched, sucking and spread throughout the gut, before 24 hours have gone by.

 

Eighty years, and worlds apart. A few sentences from volumes of speeches means little Commies are commies. Foreigners are putting a lot of pressure on our society. Lots of conformational fallacies. Not one of your better works.

 

Trump is not Hitler and he is not a Fascist. He is a populist right wing authoritarian with a cult of personality.

Hitler was a populist right wing authoritarian with a cult of personality and Fascism in its real world form is a populist right wing authoritarian movement that coalesces around cults of personality. As a result Trump will inevitably have overlaps in rhetoric, style and intent to Fascists, but he is not one.

He doesn't need to be Hitler or a Fascist to be VERY BAD for any functioning democracy. That his supporters do not care should concern anyone who cares about American democracy.

 

Hitler breathed oxygen, everyone else breaths oxygen, we’re all just like Hitler.