No, Trump is not Hitler

You see the Holocaust was really just some big misunderstanding..... He only said that he wanted a glass of juice, not to gas the Jews

Calm down people it's a joke.

 

There's no "democracy" at all. Maybe of the founders feared exactly the result you Neo-fascists are trying so hard to implement.

 

Ahh, you are trying to separate pre HORROR Hitler to post HORROR hitler.

Nice trick, but it's all one man, it's all part of the same ball of wax.

Those are things that made him terrible, and his rhetoric was consistent with his terribleness.

This idea that Trump's rhetoric, being verisimilar, should be ignored as 'nothing to see here' defies credulity.

 

Trump is a threat to US National Security.

He has committed crimes, he has violated NY law exec 6312.

there is a reason for the law, either you follow it or be prosecuted.

I can't help it that your side doesn't like the fact that one of their own is being prosecuted, perhaps republicans should find a better candidate.

 

Okay, fine. But I've never associated you with humor.

some jokes are helped by body language, and without it, it's hard to tell.

 

Oh please, the old 'everyone does it' argument is crapola.

A demagogue is a lot more than just wanting to be loved. Do you understand this?

Wanting to be loved is not insidious. This is not demagogic. Demagoguery must include insidiousness.

A demagogue uses his or her powers of persuasion to control you, lure you in a seemingly attractive way, but before long, you are trapped in a way that it is almost impossible to extricate yourself. That is the meaning of the word 'insidious'. Most cult leaders are demagogues.

If one cannot manipulate masses of people for a political power by manipulating emotions, catering to bias and prejudices, one is not a demagogue. One can have demagogic traits, but that not what I'm talking about.

A demagogue is often characterized by their appeal to the emotions, fears, prejudices, and ignorance of the populace, rather than by rational argument or respect for the facts. These leaders are adept at manipulating public sentiment and turning it towards their own political ends, using a variety of techniques that are both overt and subtle. The insidious nature of a demagogue lies in their ability to disguise manipulative tactics as genuine concern for the common people, often while pursuing their own power and interests.

One of the hallmark traits of a demagogue is their propensity to exploit societal divisions, whether they be economic, racial, religious, or cultural. By highlighting these divisions and portraying themselves as the champions of one particular group, demagogues can consolidate their power base, often at the expense of societal harmony. They frequently employ us-versus-them rhetoric, casting their opponents as enemies of the people or the nation, thereby justifying extreme measures against those branded as such.

Demagogues are also known for their charismatic oratory skills, which they use to captivate and sway audiences. Their speeches often contain simple, powerful messages that resonate with widespread grievances, offering simplistic solutions to complex problems. This appeal to emotion rather than reason helps demagogues to build a strong, personal connection with the public, fostering a cult of personality around themselves.

The manipulation of media and information is another critical aspect of a demagogue's approach. By controlling or influencing the flow of information, they can shape public perception to suit their needs, spreading propaganda and disinformation to discredit opponents and critics. The selective presentation of facts, or outright fabrication, helps to maintain their narrative and keep the populace aligned with their agenda.

Furthermore, demagogues often exhibit a disdain for established institutions and norms of governance, portraying them as corrupt or ineffective. This anti-establishment stance resonates with those disillusioned with the status quo, drawing more supporters to their cause. However, once in power, demagogues may undermine these very institutions to eliminate checks on their authority, consolidating power in a manner that threatens democratic principles and the rule of law.

The insidiousness of a demagogue's rise to power lies not just in their exploitation of societal divisions or manipulation of public sentiment, but also in the gradual erosion of democratic norms and institutions. The erosion often occurs incrementally, making it difficult for society to recognize and respond to the threat until it is too late. By the time the true nature and intentions of the demagogue are apparent, they may have already secured a level of power that is difficult to challenge.

So, the traits of a demagogue, including their appeal to emotion, exploitation of divisions, charismatic oratory, manipulation of information, and disdain for democratic norms, all contribute to their insidious nature. These leaders pose a significant threat to democratic societies, as they undermine the principles of rational discourse, equality, and the rule of law, often leaving lasting damage in their wake. Recognizing and responding to the rise of demagogues is essential for the preservation of democratic values and institutions.

Please do not conflate the insidious nature (meaning 'alluring but detrimental') of the demagogue with normal human traits.

Trump is a text book demagogue. History is replete with them, and the outcomes of their leadership almost always end in disaster for a nation.

See above.

 

It might depend on several factors. How serious he is about being a dictator. (Hitler was a dictator) Depends also on how much power he is able to gather and localize into the role of POTUS. Also , it will depend on how strong the guard rails of Democracy are and how far he wold go to dissolve them.
It does not matter that he probably would not do the level of genocide that Hitler did........BUT.......one cannot predict his conduct. More important is the fact the Trump and Hitler share the same mindset and therefore say like minded things. Both are ruthless, mentally unstable ( Hitler had a serious mood disorder .. swings ) Trump's psych issues have been discussed before .
Trump is totally unstable and unpredictable. Two negative qualities that should eliminate him from the job immediately. Because of this instability, unpredictability, and dishonesty..... one cannot say for certain what he would do when "drunk" on extreme power. Hitler was racist and paranoid. with delusions. Trump DESPISES anyone that crosses him..........in reality of his imagination. He too is paranoic and constantly seeks vengeance / revenge against those that offended him. Both Hitler and Trump exhibit signs of being dangerous. Trump does not care who he hurts and takes a certain pleasure when he does hurt someone ( sadistic). This taken to extreme can go into some horrifying scenarios.

And that makes Trump FAR WORSE for POTUS than Biden.
Hitler deteriorated under the pressure of pending loss in wars.....and committed suicide.
Trump is decompensating too.......but is still able to blame everyone else but himself which is his survival defense mechanism. It is pathological , as well as a desperate act.

Both men created their own problems and things got out of hand inone cse and has the potential for same in the other.

 

What do you suggest there is 'to see here', if not 'Hitler-like acts'?

 

Out of the thousands of times the law has been used, no one can find a record of the law being used in this way. Generally, it was for false advertising and defective products.

"It is unusual, and that's one of the issues here," said white collar criminal defense attorney Paul DerOhannesian, who was not involved in the case. "We haven't really seen this type of proceeding before against a very large New York business."

Trump's civil fraud verdict appeal may hinge on 'no victims' defense | Reuters

 

You do a lot of self righteous posturing and posting of very carefully parsed rationalizations for someone who thinks the US need a dictator.

As a self declared facist, you can hardly claim thatyou believe in the American experiment.

 

Trump is not Hitler. He isn’t smart enough.

 

You're hatred of Trump blinds you to seeing the world with unbiased eyes. For political and hatred motives, you put too much stock in Trump's actual words and interpret them only to further your agenda, twisting everything he says and taking it all out of context.

 

The Russians figured that out and flooded Fb and Twitter with pro Trump memes and tropes, coordinated with the Trump campaign.

 

Context is for Kings

 

Jesus! I'm happy to see I'm not the only one who thinks that what @AmericanNationalist is advocating for is for a fascist dictatorship. For a while there I thought this was so outrageous that I started second guessing what I read and almost believed I was misinterpreting something.

 

No, you’re not alone.

But he did just make it official.

 

Well, but you have to agree that the law can be misapplied by overly zealous prosecutors to the point that it becames a persecution.
Right?
Its why we have appeals courts.
Right?

 

Looks like you're already convinced that Trump will be found guilty. I mean, why any talk about an "appeals court" if he were innocent? It's a good thing that MAGAs prepare for it. Because the evidence IS overwhelming.

 

If you counterfeited, and got away with, circulating $1000 perfect and undetectable bills, who would be harmed?

No one, but it's still a crime.

why?

Because if everyone did it, the damage would be visible, the dollar would devalue.

If you pour an ounce of mercury into the ocean, no one will feel it.

But if your pour 100,000,000 acre feet of mercury into the ocean, we might all die.

That's why, $1000 worth of perfect counterfeited bills are a crime, though no one would feel it.

Yes, Trump's EGREGIOUS lies (and no, few do it to the egregious degree that he does it) if everyone did it, would harm the financial system in profound ways.

 

I haven't seen evidence of it. If you have, please present it.

FYI, verdicts are almost always appealed,. and an appeal, in an of itself, is not evidence of zealotry.

 

One BIG difference. The banks agreed with the appraisals. At that point it became a contract between two willing partners.

And then, no one else was ever charged with a similar crime.

It started out with Trump is a criminal. Now lets figure out what he was guilty of.

 

Please elaborate on what would be the impact, if everyone paid back their loans, like in this case?

I would love to hear your explanation.

 

Since you are a self proclaimed facist, you ought to refrain from any future reference to “the framers” or the Constitution.

You loudly proclaim your rejection of both and long for a Hitler. In your case, Trump apparently;, will do.

 

No, it is irrelevant just as the vendor who accepted the perfect counterfeit bills and did not complain is irrelevant to the crime. It is a CRIME AGAINST THE STATE.

There is NO difference.

On the lawsuit, it says 'The People Of NY v Donald Trump'.

 

You question has a false premise. The correct premise is in my comment, the premise of which you are ignoring.

Please reread it.