Republicans have a long history of adding to the national debt. Why should we trust they will not ad

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  1. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Enlighten me as to No. 1
     
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    you tend to ignore the platform of the two parties and pretend red states have only GOP voters and blue states have only democrat voters
     
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    Endeavor Well-Known Member

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    May be you don’t understand this math – majority DEMS voters lives in Blue state , and majority GOP voters lives in red state.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    See if you can get out onto the internet and look it up.
     
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    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All I find is that the US seized $300bn Russian Assets. So have many other countries like the UK.
    If this is what you are talking about as being illegal, I wonder what the value of Ukraine is which Putin is illegally stealing from its people.
    The Ukrainian people deserve our support. Do you really believe that if Russia takes Ukraine it will spend an unimaginable amount of money restoring the cities they have ruined. They will also have control of one of the largest corn/wheat countries much of the world depends on.
    Putin has said that Russia should be reunited. Like all dictators his dream will eventually be shattered. The sooner the better.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it sounds like you believed the Biden teleprompter.

    tell me how the brutal assault on Ukraine on feb 24th 2022,
    started the war we know started in 2014.

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    Splitting hairs. Russia tried to march into Kiev in 2022, escalating the earlier conflict. All of the Russian aggression was inexcusable, and Ukraine deserves the support from the rest of the civilized world.
     
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    It was Russian supported seperatists that took control of parts of Ukraine after Russia seized Crimea. Had it not been for Russia's support it is doubtful they would have succeeded.
    As I understand it an agreement was drawn up between the Russian seperatist areas and the Ukraine Parliament to acknowledge these areas as special. The Pro-Russian President refused to sign it. He was eventually replaced and a new Parliament set up. Since then there has been Russian backed 'unrest' in those areas.
    The fact is that Putin is determined to insert Russian authority in parts of the old USSR, He has said so. The invasion of Ukraine is part of this plan. That's why several independent nations are joining NATO as a defence against possible Russian aggression.
     
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    Interesting, I had no idea all these Red States got these handouts.
     
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    LOL. Democrats want to spend 50 TRILLION dollars on Climate Change, just for one thing.
     
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    An EVEN $50 Trillion huh? Where'd you come up with that number? More than likely that's how much the US will be FORCED to spend if rising CO2 levels don't start coming down, and climate change isn't addressed.
     
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    The basic problem is that Americans are undertaxed. Under administrations of both parties we have consumed more government than we have paid for.
     
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    No-one can needs to spend money on climate change but Global Warming. Climate change has been with us over millenia. Climate change is NOT Global warming which affects the world. Climate change simply is the movement of the earth round the sun on its wobbly axis over centuries. This causes different part of the earth to face the sun and change the climatic areas, which of course causes climate change over the world.
    Global warming comes from stuffing the atmosphere with 'chemicals' from various sources like that produced by industry. The suns rays can penetrate this layer and warm the earth. The excess heat cannot escape. This warmth is affecting our polar regions and raising sea levels slightly at the moment. It will increase as Ice regions like the Antarctic melt. There is one Icecap that, with a little more warmth, will detach itself from the Antarctic continent, move into warmer currents and melt. It's estimated this will raise the ocean levels several feet. This will affect ocean currents around the world and land mass temperatures.
    I'm 85. Good luck to you all. It will be you and your descendants who will suffer if you ignore things.
    That doesn't just apply to the USA but to the world.
     
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    Guess what? I agree with you!!!
     
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    many groups are undertaxed while the top groups are extremely overtaxed
    https://taxfoundation.org/research/...or those in the lowest,than they pay in taxes.


    As Table 3 shows, under current policies all families up to the 60th percentile ($86,000) receive more in government spending benefits than they pay in taxes. For those in the lowest income groups this totals nearly $16,000 more in benefits received than they pay in taxes. Even those in the middle-income group currently receive roughly $2,600 more in government spending than they pay in taxes.

    The flip side of this equation is even more dramatic at the top where the taxes paid by the wealthiest families swamp any benefits they receive from government. On average, families in the 95th to 99th percentiles pay roughly $43,000 more in taxes than they receive in benefits while those at the top pay more than $377,000 more in taxes than they get back in benefits.
     
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    The national debt only became a problem during the Reagan administration. Tax cuts for the rich nearly tripled the national debt. Most Americans did not benefit.
     
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    that's complete bullshit because revenue to the treasury did not decrease that dramatically and in many cases cutting taxes actually helps the economy. The richest one percent pay way too much as it is. it's the middle class and poor who are undertaxed in terms of their share of the income and their share of benefits.
     
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    Why is that a problem? The rich have a lot left.

    inequality 2.png inequality 2.png
     
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    that's not the issue-they are getting far less of the income share than their share of the tax burden. as I noted those making more than 750K a year are paying, on the average 366K more in taxes than they get in benefits. that's blatantly unfair
     
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    With a line like this, "The richest one percent pay way too much as it is. it's the middle class and poor who are undertaxed in terms of their share of the income and their share of benefits," I wish you wrote campaign speeches and campaign literature for the GOP.

    Jimmy Carter's last full year in office was 1980. The national debt then was $908 billion. After eight years of Ronald Reagan this had grown to $2,857 billion.

    https://www.thebalancemoney.com/national-debt-by-year-compared-to-gdp-and-major-events-3306287

    Most Americans did not benefit.

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    David Stockman was the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (1981–1985) under President Ronald Reagan. This is what he has to say about the rise in the national debt:

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    So what?

    For years public opinion surveys have indicated popular support for a more progressive tax system.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=pol...AhGKABmAMekgcGNy4xMC4yoAeQkAE&sclient=gws-wiz

    This is the strongest issue the Democrats have. I wish they were more skilled at exploiting it.
     
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    tax revenues went up under Reagan
    https://www.aei.org/articles/reagan-cut-taxes-revenue-boomed/

    I want the democrat masses to keep howling for the rich to pay more-pushing rich gays, rich libertines and stoners, rich Christian Haters etc into the GOP. once most of the rich are in one party, the tax hikers are going to get crushed politically
     
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    What matters is that the national debt nearly tripled under Reagan, and most Americans did not benefit. .

    The Democrats need to raise taxes for the best paid ten percent of the population, while cutting taxes for middle class and working class people. There is plenty of money in this economy. All we need is to take the money from those who have it, and spread the wealth around. When Franklin Roosevelt did that he was reelected three times.
     
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