Republicans have a long history of adding to the national debt. Why should we trust they will not ad

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Ahh Democrats, inuding Senators Obama and Biden, took the last Budh/Rep deficit of a patry $161B to $1,400B in just two years then kept it over $1,000B for the next three. It was the Republicans taking back the Congress and forcing the austerity and sequester legislatiin that cut those deficits. To this day it is Dems who fight force and force the higher spending.
     
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    You're ignoring the real data. Nice try.
     
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    Well unconstitutional Joe just gave billions of your tax dollars away for loans that you didn't sign up for so it seems that you're asking the question of the wrong side here OP
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm not a fan of Student Loan Debt Relief either, but it certainly wouldn't sway my vote to vote for the Sore Loser election denier.
     
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    Student loans are a choice, if Biden wanted to actually do something like that in an equitable fashion, he should be helping people to have their medical debt forgiven.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    That still plays at favoritism, and I'm opposed to it.
     
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    But I'm sure you'll vote for him again come November.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Put it this way - I won't vote for a sore loser election denier. Or somebody who sexually assaulted women.
     
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    Tara Reid can almost be heard laughing
     
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    who did you vote for in 2016?
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    I voted for the person who conceded the night of the election. BTW, Trump lost to Biden by a wider margin of Electoral votes than Hillary lost to Trump.
     
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    so you were opposed to Trump long before 2020 and 1/6 2021. So why did you support Hillary given all your complaints about Trump occurred at least four years later
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    A spade is a spade. I don't care if it's 2016, or every other year where America has voted against Trump (2018, 2020, 2022).
     
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    that doesn't explain your position. quantity doesn't trump quality. why would anyone vote for Hillary in 2016?
     
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    This is such a twisted analysis as to clearly be a purposeful and complete lie. Completely disingenuous. Obama (with super-majorities in both houses of Congress) raised the deficit from $647B to $2.183T his first year in office. The following 5 years declined slightly from this huge uptick in deficit spending. Your assessment of this clear tendency to foster increased government spending is to describe the facts as "Obama decreased spending during 5 of his last 6 years". That dog don't hunt. Take your lies elsewhere.
     
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    Perhaps you will remember that Obama was faced with the results of the 2008 disastrous financial crash. During the first year or two the country was hardly earning enough to pay mandatory bills, let alone anything else. He had to borrow a fair amount of money just to keep the USA alive. Then he was faced with opposition by Congress failing to accept his Budget for a year. Apart from his stupid 'war period' he brought the USA to a good position which Trump was able to take advantage of.
    Obama raised the debt by $8.6 bn in 7 years. Trump $8bn in just 4 years.
     
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    That is such a biased misleading analysis. You failed to account for the $768B in loans repaid during Obama's first year. Your data records this $768B as a GW Bush deficit in his final year in office. It further does not add these repayments onto Obama's deficit his first year in office. And as for your $8B Trump deficit, Any genuine analysis would acknowledge almost half of that was during Trumps final COVID year.
     
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    Cite an official source. Sounds to me like you're include interest on the debt he inherited for Obama.
     
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    My data? A simple analysis shows that Trump's debt additions were over 4 years. Obama's over 7 years. And you think that Covid was more devastating than that facing Obama in his first two years?
     
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    The last time the national debt when down was in FY 1957 when it dropped from 273 billion down to 271. FY 1956 also saw a decrease in the national debt from 274 billion down to 273 billion. Every year since the national debt has risen.


    Republican, democrat, it doesn’t matter. The main problem is we the people, we want all these programs and social spending but we’re not willing to pay for them. We’d rather pass the responsibility for paying for these programs onto our kids, grand kids and those not born yet.
     
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    Excellent points.Obama was handed the worst recession since the Great Depression - a crashed Stock Market, a Housing Crisis, widescale CEO corruption, a bankrupt auto industry, and two wars. Trump Republicans love to blame COVID. In reality, COVID wouldn't have been near as bad, had Trump not denied it's existence in the beginning.
     
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    I am not trying to prove any thing.

    With all your wisdom you can’t accept reality. Majority Americans reject conservatism/republican/GOP. In democracy a political party only survive when majority support them. That day is over for GOP.

    But here is the funny thing ( from DEMS point of view), the writing on the wall is very clear for GOP. Yet they can’t change their way.
     
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    Biden has caused a large amount of structural damage to the US economy:

    1. Attempting to steal 300 Billion dollars from Russia simply because in practice he can,
    even though it is illegal. This has alerted all nations holding dollars of a need to get out
    of the dollar, this is a long term problem that will take a few years to become fully realized,
    but it is a very serious one.

    2. Flooding the country with immigrants. Biden hopes to gain a built-in voter majority
    but the damage to the country is mounting up, again a serious and long term problem
    it would appear.

    3. Starting more wars. These cost money and produce enemies.
     
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    more americans have become dependent children, I understand that. why do you like that-you have never answered it. Usually when educated people crave for leftist government it's due to one of three things 1) they hate the religious right because they are gay, trans or hard core pro abortion 2) they are environmental or animal rights extremists or 3) they hungry for power and to control others
     
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    Most of the dependent children lives in Red states.

    And look at that .. 8 out of top 10 states dependency on Fed Government.

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    Yet republican has the audacity to call DEMS/ Liberal socialist/Marxist/ dependent children / Freeloader/ live on handout. All the f%%% free loader are in RED state. may be that’s why conservative call DEMS “free loader” because they want to hide that they are the one who lives on government.
     

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