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I would have to see data to support that. I think a lot of people pay taxes on income in those top tier rates. They still pay the rest of their taxes from the lower income in the lower tiers, so in that sense, it's an equitable system for the rich and the poor.

 

the data that supports someone isn't going to be a slave for 65% of their working time? It's called human nature the data is the planet of people and the fact that we've abolished slavery at least to a degree

yeah it's at 37% you were talking about raising it to 65%, I don't think you can get away with 40%. If I take home more money if I earn less money a year then that's the smart thing to do.

If you reduce the amount of money you earn by taking more time off and not producing wealth for the economy see the 500,000 a year and this text bracket is 37% you're actually making more money than the person that's 700,000 a year paying 65%.

So if it costs you money that generate wealth that discourages the generation of wealth and the only way the only way an economy can work is if you generate wealth.

If you discourage it by rewarding less generation of wealth that's exactly what you'll get and you'll just keep getting downgraded more and more and more

You can only steal so much from people before they say it's not worth it.

Mao learned this, Stalin learned this, Pol pot learned this. And over 120 million people had to die learning this lesson it doesn't work. Unless you just want to kill 120 million more people and it's easier ways to do that.

 

Can you give me a name of GOP President in last 50 years who was fiscally responsible?

 

Which you've. never proved. Probably using some looney lib accounting system.[/QUOTE]

We have a winner. Trump only added 8 trillion USD to national Debt. Trump is fiscally responsible POTUS. The BEST.

 

As I wrote. I WISH that they would be fiscally responsible. Now we are dealing with the Biden regime, which has spent irresponsibly.

You are telling us that the Republicans will never win another presidential election. If that's true, it seems like it's your problem. It's out of my hands.

 

So Republicans are as fiscally irresponsible as DEMS are. Did I get that right ? or you have one GOP POTUS in last 50 years who was fiscally responsible.

 

We have a winner. Trump only added 8 trillion USD to national Debt. Trump is fiscally responsible POTUS. The BEST.[/QUOTE]
Over the past 60 years, nearly every U.S. president has run a record budget deficit at some point, with former Presidents Donald Trump, Barack Obama, and George W. Bush running the largest U.S. budget deficits in history. And remember Obama's deficit was over a period of about 7 years under difficult circumstances following the crash of 2008. Trumps was over just 4 years.

 

History is history. How do you want to go forward? You're the one who claims the Democrats are the dominate now and forever.

As for GOP presidents, maybe Eisenhower.

 

So the history is that republican give lips service that they are fiscally responsible but when they come to power , they spend much as DEMS. In another word republican politicians are hypocrites.

We, DEMS never preach on fiscal responsibility. And we don’t need lectures from hypocrite Gop politician.

By the way, in past 50 year only one POTUS balanced the budget. Bil Clinton. By the way, he was a Democrat.

 

And there are those who say that he didn't really balance the budget because the government didn't take into account that the government had an increased Social Security liability. You collected the FICA taxes but didn't take into account that you were obligated to pay out to the people who were paying them some day.

As I remember it, you guys got credit for balancing budget because of sequestors which neither party authorized, but you guys got the credit. That was during the Obama years as I recall.

Look you win. You say you are going to win all of the presidential forever. It's YOUR problem, if there is one. According to your experts, the deficit can go to infinity, and there will be no problems.

 

Yea .. you are right. after 2028 GOP will never win another Presidential election.

USA can fix the debt problem in 10 years but with the current GOP in congress it is impossible. We have to wait another 4-5 years to fix it.

Giving 30 million undocumented immigrant legal status and eventually path to citizenship will solve the debt problem and solve SS deficit. But MAGA wing of the GOP will never support that.

But , you are right. It’s our problem, GOP can move to Canada or somewhere else.

 

Good! We settled it. The debt and all the rest of it is a Democrat problem. I'll be 6 feet under anyway.

 

Actully I've citing Congressional Budget Office data dozens of times.

And your proof is?

 

I am agreeing with you .. Trump only added 8 trillion USD to national debt .. he is fiscally responsible.

 

So, I'll take that as an admission that after several requests to proof your assertion - you can't.

 

There are only two parties - the Republican/Democrat uniparty, and Trump.

 

I heard the same prediction after Watergate.

 

It's really both parties that are responsible for spending. In the late 60's a Congressional "philosophy" arose that basically said, "let's just create executive agencies to handle the tricky stuff and simply vote to fund the agencies instead". The reason, of course, is that actually legislating is politically fraught and risky for a long, lucrative, career. Legislation requires a vote that one has their name attached to. Opponents then get a clear target to hammer come election time. Better to shove that off to faceless, unelected bureaucrats who can't be fired and then you can mug for the TV and blame everyone else for shiite they have no intention of solving. And how controversial can it be if you're simply handing money out to everyone?

By 1970 Congress even created the final, most arbitrarily powerful agency in the country, the EPA. That agency has pretty much total authority to regulate whatever it wants to. In fact, 2007's Massachusetts v. EPA gave them the ability to regulate CO2, a non-pollutant (before anyone proves their ignorance over what is and isn't a pollutant, try to find anywhere in official documents where EPA specifically calls CO2 a "pollutant") without any Congressional authorization. Because, of course, any Congress person who actually voted for that legislation would quite likely lose their jobs at the very next opportunity.

So, since they're not going to risk lucrative careers legislating, what do they do? Primarily spend money. In fact, Harry Reid eliminated the Senate supermajority requirement (60 votes) for spending bills. There's now literally virtually no way to stop the spending. Every now and then there's a weak attempt to sound tough by shutting down the government, however, most of the government's spending is automatic and not appropriated so that whole exercise becomes a made for TV moment and unanticipated paid vacation for much of the Federal workforce.

As some smart person once said, "democracy dies when people figure out that they can vote themselves free stuff". And make no mistake, this country is on life support.

And please note, this is not a partisan issue. It's not Democrat or Republican. It's a Congressional disease.

"We have met the enemy, and he is us"- Walt Kelly (Pogo)

 

HEY!
Who you calling a demmycrat!!?!?!?

 

Maybe you saw stats like that after Watergate too.

The size of GOP voters shrinks with each presidential election. you want to close your eyes and ignore it. Be my guest. It doesn’t change the facts.

7 out of last 8 Presidential election majority American voted for DEMS.




White Voter are shrinking each 4 years.



apart from White voter all other racial and ethnic group support DEMS









Younger voter Vote DEMS

 

and what exactly are you trying to prove?

 

Strange argument. Paying taxes is not a form of slavery. That's the cost of living in America. You're paying for services - 1. The military of this country protecting you. 2. Law enforcement 3. Postal Service 4. Interstate highways.

I would argue that the wealthy should pay more for military service. Look what happened when Nazi Germany took over France. They looted everything from the wealthy. The poor didn't have much of interest to the Nazis. Military security should cost more for the wealthy.

 

That people would rather have more money than less?

It's working for free at the threat of imprisonment. If that's not slavery nothing is.

no you'd be paying to fund mistakes idiot politicians made. We're talking about reducing the deficit if it was just paying for police roads and military a 10% flat tax would be more than enough.

They should and they do. We have a progressive tax code. Even if we had a flat tax that would still be the case. It's a balance. If it costs someone money to earn more for the government they do their best to earn less restricting

it does we have a progressive tax code is not a flat tax. The billionaire don't pay they buy.