Palestinians are a Myth

Like everything else Islam and Arabs do, the idea of Palestinians as a distinct people is a myth. They are Arabs. The move toward a Palestinian state is just a ruse for political advantage and keeping the Arab unity against Israel.

Here is a report from an interview with Dutch Newspaper 'Trouw'. It is with the PLO Executive committee member Zuhayr Muhsin March 31, 1977. (Israel World News zimbio.com)

" The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our stuggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese.

"Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existance of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existance of a distinct 'Palestinian' people to oppose Zionism.

" For tactical reasons, Jordon, which is a soverign state, with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordon. "

The Arabs have no right to Israel. They are just squatters and myth makers using the Palestinian rehtoric to steal land. Seems Islam and Arabs are always having to manipulate and conceal their true motives.

Quantrill

 

Why is this in the "Latest news" section?

 

To: Yitzchak Aharonovitch
Minister of Internal Security
Government of Israel


Jewish Rights on the Temple Mount:

The Temple Mount is the holiest place in the world to the Jewish people; yet Jews are denied the right to pray in groups, and even as individuals; this refusal is accompanied by their constant degradation, and they are granted no opportunity for any religious expression whatsoever on the Temple Mount.

It is our position that if the stature of the Jews on the Temple Mount were to change positively, in a manner that would reflect their status as law-abiding citizens, sons of the nation that is sovereign on the Mountain and as people who have basic human rights in the Jewish state, then the standing of the State of Israel would immediately improve. This would effect a positive change for the benefit and security of all its citizens.

We demand that the Government of Israel grant the Jewish people freedom of religious expression on the Temple Mount. Additionally, the government must establish special fixed days for Jewish communal prayer in fixed locations on the Temple Mount. This move will serve as evidence of Jewish sovereignty on the Mount and the protection of freedom of religion for all.

*The Three Pilgrimage Festivals of Israel which are Sukkot, Pesach and Shavuot.

* The 14th of Nisan, the eve of Passover, is the day on which our holy Torah obligates each Jew to bring the Passover offering (it should be noted that this right has already been recognized by Israel's High Court of Justice, #2955/07 ).

* Rosh HaShana and Yom Kippur

* The eight days of Chanukah

* The Three Fast Days of the 10th of Tevet, the 17th of Tammuz and the 9th of Av

* Israel Independence Day and Jerusalem Day

* The Hakhel Ceremony at the conclusion of the Sabbatical Year

This will serve as a preliminary step in confirming the Jewish people's inexorable connection with the Temple Mount, location of the Holy Temple, under the sovereignty of the people of Israel. However, let it be known that the Jewish people will never accept the total refusal of Jewish communal prayer on the Mountain.

Sincerely,
http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/tmount

 

Help us reach our minimum goal of 10,000 signatures on the petition for Jewish Rights on the Temple Mount. With the UN vote coming up towards the end of September, this is a very good time to rally around the Temple Mount. The Media will be looking for stories and if we can gather 10s if not 100s of thousands of signatures on the petition and release it to the press with statements from important religious and political leaders this can cause a fire storm ahead of the vote.

Ladies and Gentleman, we cried and prayed from 69 C.E. to 1967 C.E. or 1,898 years to return to the Temple Mount, the place of our holy Temple. In 1967 the Almighty brought us back in triumph and glory to our national home with is the Temple Mount. Only a few hours later we overturned the miracle and victory and returned the Mount to the hands of strangers. Now a Arab State is at our doorstep and make no doubt about it, returning Jewish prayer to the Mount will become much harder after the vote. Time to take our last stand, even if desperate, we have no choice.

The future of the Mount is in our hands!

Petition Link - http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/tmount

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More Zionist crap. Go away and spam somewhere else.

 

DEAR WORLD
By Rabbi Meir Kahane, Zt"l
(November, 198

Dear World,

It appears that you are hard to please. I understand that you are upset over us, here in Israel. Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry and outraged! Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset over us. Today, it is the brutal repression of the Palestinians; yesterday, it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War campaign.

It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily. Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we, the Jewish people - upset you.

We upset a German people who elected a Hitler and we upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians. And we go back a long, long way in the history of world upset.

We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. We upset, for centuries, a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through Inquisitions. And we upset the arch-enemy of the Church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

It is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish State. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you, disturb you.

What better notion, then, than to leave you and thus love you - and have you love us? And so we decided to come home - to the same homeland from which we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset.

Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left you and your Pogroms and Inquisitions and Crusades and Holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state - we continue to upset you.

You are upset that we repress the poor Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East.

Moscow is upset and Washington is upset.

The Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset. Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920, 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs.

Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered hundreds of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron - in 1929.

Dear World, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots in 1936-39? Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, World, proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a Palestinian State alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset stomach caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset then?

The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish State into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "idbah-al-yahud" - "Slaughter the Jews!" that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today - but we should not "repress" them.

Dear World, you stood by the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres.

You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in the past you bothered us.

In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.

 

The brave people of Palistine had their land stolen from them by Jews. The Jews took their land using force provided to them by the USA. Israel would never, repeat NEVER, have existed if it were not for the guilty collective conscience of the American government.

I support the right of the Palistinian people to re-claim their homeland using any means at their disposal.

Long live PALISTINE and the PLO !

 

Of course Palestinians exist. I would agree with Quantrill that a unique national conscious identified as Palestinian did not exist prior to the creation of Israel, but Palestinians are by no means all ex-bedu whose grandfathers got off their camels and started farming. The culture of Islam predominates in Palestine but the recent history of Palestine prior to Israel was Ottoman Turk rather than Arab.

Palestinians themselves are a polyglot melting-pot of the peoples who have lived in the area over the past thousands of years. Depending on the Palestinian, there could be a bit of Canaanite, Edomite, Moabite, Philistine, Phoenecian, Aramean, Samaritan, lapsed Jew, Roman, Arab, Crusader European, Mameluke (soldier-slaves of Egypt), Turk (originally from central Asia) and even a few Englishmen.

The key point is not whether a Palestinian nationality existed prior to Israel but whether the Palestinians, on average (because there is a lot of variation in amounts of time), lived in Palestine for many centuries farming the land or working small businesses. Quite a few Palestinians are Christians, for instance, which is not true of Arabs. What gives Israel the moral right to evict people who have made a life and who loved their land for a lot longer period of time than Quantrill and his ancestors have done in America?
I don't think a suggestion he move back to Europe would make him very happy!

As for TMount, if the Israelis didn't want another major religion to build their third-holiest mosque on the Temple Mount they should have stopped them at the time. Now TMount wants the Muslims to be forced to allow people who have openly called for the destruction of the mosque to come into the area of the mosque and conduct Jewish prayers (presumably for the mosque's destruction). The Fundamentalist Christians are all in favor of this idea because they don't think the Rapture will occur until Solomon's Temple is rebuilt so they find the mosque inconvenient as well.

The hypocrisy of the video is breath-taking. If you want an action that will make the Islamists one hundred times as strong as they are now and will almost guarantee that the Middle East be destroyed by Israeli atomic bombs (including Israel) then go ahead and demolish the mosque on the Temple Mount. Just don't pretend your agenda is something different and that you want to play nice with the moslems.

 

You should check your facts!

Israel did not get any aid from the US during the 1948 War of Independence, not only did they not get active aid, but when the Jewish community of New York tried to send a boat load of amo and weapons to the newly re-found State of Israel the US government would not allow the boat to leave the port.

Israel was created through over 100 years of hard work by the worldwide Jewish community. Zionist efforts began really at the beginning of the 1800s by the students of the revered Goan of Vilna a great Jewish Rabbi who urged his students to go live in Israel and that was about 100 years before Herzel and 150 years before the re-founding of the state. We slowly built the infrastructure needed for a State over a vey long period of time and only when we were ready did we re-declared are independents after 1,879 years!

You should know US aid to Israel really started to become significant after the 67 War when it was clear Israel would survive, no one supports a state that can go under at any moment.

 

Even bashing children's heads in?

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You are obviously misinformed. I suspect you are a victim of the Steven Speilberg re-writing of history that has swept the USA. It is indeed sad and is the reason your society is doomed.

 

No sane person is talking about destroying the Dome of the Rock. We are demanding that Jews have the basic right of prayer on our own holiest site. The Temple Mount is 36 Acers and Jews by Torah law are not allowed today (because of biblically mandated ritual purity issues) to enter the Dome or the area immediately around it.

As a religious Jew I ascend to the Temple Mount every week using this rout.

 

No I know my history very very well.

Nice try

 

....do so at your own risk.

 

As a religiouis Jew do you believe the Temple will be rebuilt? Where? Thus why is it insane to know that the Dome of the Rock must go.

It will go.

Quantrill

 

Why? What happens to a Jew who prays on the Temple Mount?

Quantrill

 

The irony is that without Israel, the "palestinians" as a people would probably not exist. The land of Palestine would have been scooped by the surrounding arab countries.

The decades of bloodshed, civil wars, displacement, humiliation and occupation, have defined the palestinian people. And Israel had much to do with it.

As trite as it sounds - you reap what you sow.

 

Not necessarily. Many nations formed themselves and invented a national identity in the early 1900's, including Italy.

 

There are more Palestuinians in Jordan & Cyprus than in The occupied terrotories & Israel .

 

Which can undoubtedly be applied to the Palestinians (and the rest of the arab world), they massacred Jews during their riots in the first half of the 20th century, they did not accept the partition, they repeatedly tried to wipe Israel off the map and drive the Jews into the sea, they murdered civilians in restaurants and malls and fired rockets into school yards and kindergartens.

As trite as it sounds - they reap what they sow, don't they?

 

Who knows and who really cares ?

 

Yep it can be applied to all.

Ease off a little on the "massacres" of jews in the first half of the 20th century. It was a nasty conflict in which both sides did nasty things to each other. there wasn't much difference in body counts up to 48.

Yes they didn't accept the partition, but then again, Ben Gurion accepted knowing that the arabs wouldnt and also recognizing the opportunity to create a contiguous nation by declaring independance. He even wrote that it exceeded his "wildest dreams".

I happen to support Israel, condemn its settlement policy and abhor its occupation. Unfortunately its hands have been tied for some time when it comes to occupation. The Palestinians have been saddled with corrupt and incompetent political governance since day one and been the abused pawns of their arab brethren. their plight has been exacerbated by the UN's idiotic special definition of what a refugee is.


OTOH, do you deny an occupied people the right to resist the occupation?

Most people view this conflict in all black or all white terms. Reality is that its all shades of grey with neither side totally right or totally wrong.

 

More Israeli rightist silliness.

@Citizens of the world: there is a large historic Leftist under-stream in Israel, we have been scared by these extreme-right nutjobs to believe that potential terrorism is the only thing that matters in politics. The Left is re-organizing massively in Israel -- we will rise again and take a historic step to true and ever-lasting peace.

 

You do. You answered in your post #14, 'Do so at your own risk'. That implies that you both know and care.

Yet now you don't want to admit it. Why not? Ashamed? Ashamed that the Arab is allowed to pray but the Arab won't let the Jew pray. Or not ashamed, but don't want it revealed because it shows the Arab for what he is.

Im guessing the latter.

Quantrill

 

Palestinians have been around for 2500 years...

Read your bible... Its very clear that they were there when the Jews returned from exile in Babylon.. It is also very clear that Sargon 2 settled 4 arab tribes in Samaria around 720 BC.

Obvious lies don't make your case.. Even Ben Gurion said that the Palestinians were the ancestors of first century Jewish peasant farmers who didn't leave the land behind.