Have to laugh at all the idiots protesting at Wall Street.

Agreed. There are certain standards that simply have nothing to do with the ideology that everyone should be expected to follow.

If you're going to have a live-in protest, you need the foresight to plan the logistics of your waste and consumption. It's that simple.

 

Exactly. Once again (As always) conservatives are on the wrong side of history, which is their function I guess.

 

Essentially. They serve, to me anyways, as a reminder of how far we have come and how much further we have to go.

Always a good motivator, they are.

 

I see no evidence of looting, burning, raping and killing from you yet.

Why does the NYPD baton people who "litter"?

And do you have a link for even that?

 

As am I (glad to see the protests). I’m pro tea party, the wall street protesters are left wing tea party types. If the extreme right can merge instead of fight with the left wing types we can crush the wall street thieves in the middle. It's time we do something. Wages have been basically stagnant for thirty years. Prices go up and never come down. The last fairy tale that was told was that prices were rising because crude was high which raised the cost of everything. Well the price of crude is tanking and prices are still rising. And crude oil was jacked so high by .... you guessed it wall st type speculators, not real market forces. So the real thieves (non-violent crime) are White collar criminals and our own government. Uncle Sam thieved the real value of our currency and ripped off our international partners starting in 1973 when Nixon removed the last of the gold backing our currency. That move was a calculated theft because the USA owed a mega huge debt to concerns including governments in Europe and the UK (I think some were in the UK), anyway after the gold backing was removed by tricky Dick Nixon and enough funny money was printed, we paid off the debt with the counterfeit dollars! Nixon knew that the countries could protest but what else could they do? Face the USA military? No, ergo it was blatant strong arm theft by tricky Dick. The removal of gold helped reduce the value of a dollar to twenty cents compared with the buying power of a dollar in 1973, the last year we had gold backing our dollars.

As for white collar crime, compare their jail terms with someone that gets caught with a ounce of coke (mandatory life). Or even robbing a bank for three thousand dollars (typical is 50 years in jail). White collar criminals should get equal time for the crime. Yes I know some hi profile white collar criminals get real time but that is an exception rather than the rule. I am all for protests, hence my sc name. If a peaceful protest does not get results its time to take it to the next level. One thing however. The wall st protesters should become focused and select a leader that can extrapolate their demands into easy to understand sound bytes. In addition we should vote with our wallets, and made sure the goons running for elective office know it! If we don't do something drastic our country is not going to last. And if the USA goes down in flames I am sure the rest of the world will be pulled down with it. And people wonder or make fun of me as a prepper,* the last laugh will be mine kids, and that laugh will be a nervous one.

* http://www.preppercommunications.com/FrequentlyAsked_Prepper_and_Survival_Questions.html


Rev A

 

These "types" as you call them are not against small government.

They are against rapacious capitalists.

Who number high in the Tea Party.

 

I'm not trying to absolve anyone of anything. It is ultimately the people's fault that they have allowed their government to be hijacked. But the reality is that most of them don't have a clue. I am trying to educate people about the reality of the system.

I'm sorry, but corrupting politicians and lobbying to gain regulations changes that allow for the creation of a situation that lets a very small group of people make a very large amount of money while destroying the domestic economy is not "just grabbing opportunities". It is morally reprehensible and you can't blame the average person for not realizing what was going on. Do you really expect every citizen to understand finance, the law, economics, etc.? No, the blame falls squarely upon those that willed to create the mess we are in right now.

The responsibility to fix the problem, however, falls squarely on the populace. We do still have an electoral system and the votes do count. We need people to get more involved, as has been happening as evidenced both by the tea party movement and the WSO. These people need to start figuring out what they really stand for and start running for office outside of the two party system and supporting candidates that represent their interests who also rebuke the two party system. It starts with a ripple...a wave of discontent, but it needs to be turned in the right direction in order for it to have the proper impact.

 

Did a "rapacious capitalist" sell you the computer upon which you type this tripe?

If so, you have no legitimate gripe whatsoever.

 

Did I say they were doing that? No, I said they were making a mess. If the sanitation at these parks they are "occupying" were like how they were left during the Tea Parties, there wouldn't be massive piles of trash and "sanitation concerns", now would they? Use your head for a change.





I think these pictures should help.

As the link I have been using the whole time says, most of the arrests are for disorderly conduct, an actual crime.

I disagree with any protestors being disorderly enough to warrant arrest, and I also disagree with leaving behind massive piles of filth everywhere. Perhaps their new "government" (The NYC General Assembly) should establish a sanitation commission.

 

Strawman....I think multinational corporations banding together in secret cabals to exploit folk is no more than a conspiracy theory and an excuse used by the unsuccessful to excuse their lack of success..

 

Ever notice that protestors never blame themselves at these things?

 

Less than labor unions, environmentalists and other special interests.

 

more violent and less defined as to purpose, like a toddlers temper tantrum. He is mad but has no idea why or what to do about it.

 

Yeah, seems like it. We'll see if these guys make any impact whatsoever on the elections. If they turn the tide of the political war, and Obama gets reelected and there are landslide victories for the democrats then I'll believe them. Otherwise they're just jobless hippies.

 

Envy and greed for the stuff of others...yup, that is why they are there.

 

Because they are the biggest group that is not envious and greedy for the wealth of others.

 

Yep, that's exactly it. They are envious. Why would they not be? They don't have something that they want and so they wish to take it from somebody who does, and they are willing to destroy the foundation of the United States government to get it. Why do you think they're there? Genuine concern?

 

The left is not the movement of personal responsibility.

 

I'll be amazed if they make it through the winter.

 

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The "Left Wing Tea Party " LOL !!!

Where have YOU been living?

The Tea party is TOTALLY RIGHT WING...

Totally and completely...

they make Cheney Look liberal by comparison !

 

Ha! I know. I'm expecting that the protests will die down by around December or January. February at the latests.

 

That wasn't a straw man, that was the essence of what you had said.

If you think that multinational corporations don't collectively work together towards convincing governments to allow them access to markets and/or to convince governments to make legislation favorable to them by way of instituting regulations that stifle small market competition, etc., then you are merely ignorant of reality.

The reality is that big business is so integrated with government that government has ceased to operate in the interest of the governed.

 

This is kind of like the mean little girl in school that no one likes because she is mean, and rather than accepting that her actions are the cause of people disliking her, she convinces herself that they are all "just jealous".

In fact, I would suggest that claiming that people rebelling and demonstrating against what they see as a flawed and corrupt system are merely jealous is the height of meaningless "sloganeering".

 

That's a ridiculous theory you have there. Actually, you are right that many of these groups have their agenda right out in the open, yet, the American people and media never talk about them. Why is that?

Bilderbergers are not out in the open at all, do they not exist? You can keep on denying the merger of government, corporate, and media interests through these think tanks if you want to...be blind to reality.

Nearly everyone with any iota of power are in/were in the CFR, Trilateral Commission, or Bilderbergers. Perhaps we should change the name of the White House to the CFR House. Check out the chart:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35171112/2010-Bilderberg-CFR-Trilateral-Commission-Chart

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/cfr-members.htm

 

It must be coincidence, since we know business interests never collude or work to foster their collective interests...JIMV says so...