There Is No Santa Clause - Teacher Tells 7 & 8 Year Old Kids

In elementary school, kids fight for very little reason at all anyway. I used to get into fights just while being in a bad mood.

I remember playing baseball one day in class when one of my classmates said something that really pissed me off, and I hit him in the head with my bat.

He didn't mess with me after that.

When you're that young, sometimes fighting gets the point across better than any reasoning.

 

Maybe. I just don't see why we have to confuse their morals by saying lying is wrong but then telling them a massive lie throughout their childhood. Just seems hypocritical. I'm not judging anyone who does it because it's tradition and people have trouble breaking tradition. But it's a seriously messed up tradition that will end with my kids if I choose to have them.

 

A massive lie?......lol.

I got to wonder about folks some times....

 

What's wrong with little kids believing in Santa?

We're talking about little kids here, not teenagers.......yep, that'd be a problem.

He's a nice, fat, jolly old soul who brings free toys and candy.

What's not to love???????????

 

I can agree with that somewhat. I don't plan on having kids, but if I do, I'm not going to raise them with religion. They can figure that mess out for themselves.

With Santa, I'm not sure what I'd do. I honestly haven't given it much thought, but you do raise a valid point.

 

Yeah.. I guessed that you were a young kid with "so called hippie" parents who just decided to NEVER lie or future any answer to any of their kids questions no matter now advanced or adultish it might me.

No problem... but they also should have given you instruction as to how to deal with the lesser "informed" kids who still believed in SC, Easter Bunny, tooth ferry, etc.

At the same time, the stuff I've read says that kids raised like you are also less spiritual, less trusting, less likely to fall in love, and less likely to apply more tradiional loving yet non-factual approaches to raising their own kids.

Studies which I have read show those kids raised without dreams/hopes/imaginings of SC are less forgiving in their own mostly strictly factual relationships. Good Luck with yours.....

 

I'd like to know that too. 80 or so posts ago (post# two hundred and fifty eight) I asked for proof that believing in Santa had a deleterious effect on children. So far, 0 replies. Ho Ho Ho

 

My family did tell the Santa Clause lie and continued to do so after I figured it out. It was actually my older sister who confirmed it. My mom didn't want to tell me because she felt guilty and for her when her parents told her it made her cry for a week.

My family was extremely loving. In the 25 years I've been on this planet not one family reunion has ended in an argument. Christmas is a time of tear jerking laughter and it ends with hour long goodbyes.

You don't know anything about me or my family.

 

Now that's a serious problem, no doubt.

But, IMO, Santa's just like a fairy tale we all heard as kids, like Snow White, Cinderella, and the like.

There's no harm in fairy tales, for little kids.

 

The difference is we don't pretend to be characters from other fairtales in order to trick them into being well behaved.

Can you imagine?
"Better not jump on the bed Lucy or the evil queen is going to give you a poison apple"

Then sneaking into her room when she's been bad and putting an apple on her nightstand.

 

LOL, ok, good point.

but, in my house, as kids, no matter how much we acted up throughout the year, (plenty)--- get this--

Santa still brought presents!

It was the same for my own kids.

Like I said, what's not to love about this guy?????

 

Well then... who the hell is that fat bastard in my living room screwing with my presents???

 

LOL...and eating all those cookies.

Eh, no wonder he's, uh, fat.

 

I have never known anyone who didn't give their kids presents because they were bad, or a lump of coal for that matter. More like can they afford gifts or not. Would you really walk up to a kid who was playing house and yell "you're not really cooking!", or refuse a little girl's imagined tea because it's not real tea?. Hell no. You would pretend to take a sip and say, "yummy", just like the rest of us. I swear some people argue just to argue. None of you would spend the holidays going to shopping malls and screaming to the kids in line, "there is no Santa! Your parents are lying!". What this teacher did was inconsiderate. Surely there are greater wrongs to right in this world than the "great Saint Nicholas lie". I've never in my life met a grown person who hated their parents because they lied to them about Santa. Not to mention, this thread is more about the right of a teacher to tell kids something parents don't want them told. Especially when the subject matter has zero to do with curriculum. It is not a thread about "Should parents lie to their children about Santa". I guarantee an atheist teacher tells a bunch of 7 and 8 year old children there is no God, that teacher is fired. A teacher never will take precedent over a parent. I don't even have kids, and would still not be naive enough to even try and make such an argument.

 

Ummm ... just thinking aloud, but I wonder what the responses might be if the teacher concerned had stated the reality of Father Christmas, and parents who had told their children it was a fantasy, objected to their children being told untruths at school?

The fact of the matter is - there is no such person. But I am still of the opinion that the teacher acted unwisely - she should merely have declined to comment upon the reality or otherwise of the Father Christmas fantasy.

 

Yes, next time a child asks a teacher where babies come from, the teacher should go into a graphic explanation of penetrative sex. How about that? They deserve to know the truth, right?

Or we could, oh I dont know, just have the teacher do the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing job we are paying her to do and keep her (*)(*)(*)(*)ing opinions to her (*)(*)(*)(*)ing self. How about that solution? Maybe the teacher does not need to instruct the children on stuff outside of the subject she is teaching?

 

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These teachers are nothing more than left wing ideologues trying to infect generations. My children are privately schooled. Note: Private and Home-schooled children dramatically outperform the publicly schooled kids.

 

uh...Don't teachers already do this? Sex ed began in 4th grade for me. And we discussed how sex works. With diagrams and everything.

 

Be so kind, in future, to read and quote my entire post. Did you see the following paragraph, wherein I suggested that the teacher was perhaps unwise, and that a better course of action would be to say they were discussing the north pole, not where Santa lives.

The same applies to the (extremely unlikely) situation of a 7 or 8 year old asking a teacher where babies come from. When they are at an appropriate age, they can be told the details of reproduction. But I do not think they should be told untruths in the interim.

 

That is the point I was making, she should have just kept her trap shut. She could have continued that lesson about where the North Pole was without commenting that there is no Santa Claus.

 

The probably already do that. In fact it seems (from the news) that more and more female teachers are doing 'lab' work.

Agreed, 100%

 

Well, home-schooled children that parents have let out of a LOCKED BASEMENT CLOSET might outperform publicly-schooled kids, but it skews the averages that we can be quite sure that the parents whose home-schooling is of questionable sanity NEVER allow those kids to be tested and compared.

It remains that there is no reason RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGUES are NOT the ones that are dissing Santa.

 

I don't think that is the case... I think it falls more on the lines that the teacher had no business telling the children anything about Santa Claus to begin with.

What part of second grade learning is finding out if there is a Santa or not? Was it in the syllabus?

 

I did read it. Unwise is a euphemism. What she did was worse than "unwise".

Not without the parent's permission. In every school I have seen in the US, parents are given the option of opting out for this.

I am guessing no one asked these parents if they wanted the teacher to ruin Christmas for their young children. That the teacher was just being a pushy obnoxious (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and spoiling their Christmas because she felt like it. What do you think?

I think it should be left up to the parents. The teacher didn't have to "tell" them anything. She could have just kept her (*)(*)(*)(*) mouth shut and kept her opinions to herself. Do you disagree?

LOL!

 

"Confuse their morals"?? Good grief! Little kids - TODDLERS! - don't even know what 'morals' are! Morals has nothing to do w/a small child enjoying a once a yr celebration w/Santa, a fictional character created for the very young.

"Hypocritical" - "Seriously messed up tradition" .... words coming from self-righteous people whom I noticed never had kids and has no understanding of young children enjoying their fantasy of Santa.....

Yet, you people live in your fantasy world of playing video games thru out the year and even fantasizing over naked pix of women/men .... speaking about 'confused morals'.....

How is your make-believe world any better than the tots?