“ Trump warns of ‘potential death and destruction’ if he’s indicted”

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  1. mdrobster

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    And do you think it matters to us that you think Trump is innocent.
     
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    Do you believe I really give a damn about what you think?
     
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    That hurts my feelings. :)
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You'll get over it.
     
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    The Inconvenient Truth: Fake Hate + MSM = Fake News

    “When TMZ first reported that actor Jussie Smollett was the victim of a vicious hate crime, it sounded almost impossible to believe.
    Upon leaving a Chicago Subway sandwich shop circa 2 AM one sub-zero night in late January, two masked men recognized him as the openly gay black actor starring in Fox’s ‘Empire,’ hurled racist and homophobic slurs at him, beat him to the point of breaking his ribs, doused him with bleach, tied a noose around his neck, before pronouncing “This is MAGA Country!” and fleeing.

    Making such astonishing claims, the national media owed it to their viewers to give this story the circumspect coverage responsible journalism demands.
    If only.”

    “Instead the major media used their platform to uncritically parrot TMZ’s original report, even adding new details along the way (such as that the attackers wore “Make America Great Again” hats). This vicious hate crime, they said, painted a disturbing picture of America in 2019.

    As Smollett’s claims have unraveled over the intervening weeks, it’s worth revisiting how the story was originally covered.”
    GRABIEN, MONTAGE: WATCH THE MEDIA UNCRITICALLY ACCEPT ANOTHER OUTLANDISH ‘HATE CRIME’‘This is America in 2019’, By Tom Elliott, Feb 16, 2019 8:16 AM.
    https://news.grabien.com/story-montage-watch-media-uncritically-accept-another-outlandish-h

    Of course, committed partisans often prefer Fake News to the Inconvenient Truth. ;-)
     
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    IMO, Trump's agenda is not popular enough to win in 2024 while our ruling political class is united against him. I would expect him to win the popular vote agin in a free and fair election -- which is irrelevant.
    All professional politicians in the US are at least as unpopular as Trump. Few Americans still trust any of them.

    Congress sank to a 10% approval rating in a new Quinnipiac University poll released on Thursday, with roughly five in six Americans saying they disapprove of the country's legislative body. This compares to an 18% approval rating in March.

    And if you're searching for the main reason behind the drop, look no further than Republican voters.
    Back in January and March, more than one in three Republicans said they had positive views of Congress, which is controlled by the GOP in both chambers.
    But now, that's plummeted to just 14% of Republican voters who give Congress a thumbs up.”

    Congress's overall 10% approval is the lowest for Congress in Quinnipiac's history of data back to 2003. Using Gallup data beyond that, it's the lowest for Congress in data back to 1974.
    CNN, Even Republicans don't like Congress anymore, By Ryan Struyk, Thu August 3, 2017.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/republicans-congress-approval-drops/index.html
     
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    Crime is covered-up by the police everywhere. Surely you know that?

    A suspect was charged in just 7.8% of crimes recorded in England and Wales in the year to March 2019, down from 9.1% the previous year; the proportion of crimes closed because the victim did not support a prosecution rose to 22.6% from 20%.
    BBC, Crimes unreported as public lose faith in police, Analysis by Tom Symonds, home affairs correspondent, 7 February 2020.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51408921
     
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    Is that supposed to be an answer to may question?

    Try again: Are protests illegal?
     
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    Please paste up that Trump quote with a link to the source. :)
     
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    LOL!

    The topic is Israelis that are protesting Netanyahu his extreme right-wing reforms.
    A happening you conveniently ignored and deflected to

    "Are protests illegal?"
     
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    LOL! No way Jose. Not after the Bushes/Romneys and their ilk fully exposed the RP establishment from right to left.
    The RP is too repulsive to defeat a DP candidate in a presidential election without lots of help from the DP. ;-)
     
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    So, "Are protests illegal?" is a tough question for you. ;-)
     
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    Funny how that works.

    And what about ill-legitament investigations?

    If we were talking about 1, or maybe 2... even possibly 3. Ok. Got bad intel, poor evidence, etc., but after that it's a witch hunt.
     
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    I do.

    Because that is how our legal system works.

    It would be crazy arrogant for me to assume that I know better than the jurors and their decision for acquittal.
     
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    Read the OP.
     
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    Ok, so Guilty by Association?

    I am so glad we have a judicial system that prevents these types of emotional non-factual positions.

    You endorse Guilty by Association, yes?
     
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    True, but the reason is not what you think.
    1. trump sells adverts. full stop.
    2. the left, and the media by extension, think they stand a much better chance against trump then the do against DeSantis. They are probably not wrong.
     
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    All of the investigations into trump have had a reasonable basis.

    What do you think of him calling for death and destruction if he is indicted?
     
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    if he were only going to be railroaded then he'd already be in prison. think, man.
     
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    i thought we were better than them. be better.
     
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    I'm sorry but I really do question the intelligence of anyone who remains a stalwart trump supporter.
     
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    You might want to rethink your strategy. trump is such a cancerous asshat with approaching zero support from moderates and independents that he stands almost NO chance of beating anyone in a general election. you should want him as your opponent.
     
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    ummm, wtf??? The economy tanking, trouble in northern Europe, threats from China, inflation rocketing, interest rates climbing, banks folding... I think ANY republican other than trump wins in a landslide. we need to shed the orange fat albatross.
     
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    You are out of your damn mind. trump has exactly 0% chance of winning the popular vote. ZERO. who votes for him other than die hard maga? do you think die hard maga is the majority of the country? Seriously? I mean.... C'mon, that is ridiculous.
     
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    I also hold an extremely dim view of Congress. But I want to respond to your first paragraph.

    I think Trump's agenda would still be very popular. Some of its main points:

    - Border security
    - Energy policy
    - Balance of trade
    - Seeking peace rather than war, military strength, but not the world's policeman
    - Encouraging "Made in America"
    - Originalist/textualist judges

    The problem with Trump is not his agenda. The problem is that Trump's personality is exhausting and off-putting. People see him as thin-skinned, narcissistic, and immature. They see him as one who unnecessarily creates division. They see him as one who wishes to bully his way forward. They don't see him as being "presidential." They see him as one who creates chaos. And right or wrong, they see him as one for whom the presidency is all about him rather than about the country.

    Now in spite of Trump's personality flaws, I voted for him in 2016 and 2020. I voted for him for his agenda which I believed was more important than his personality. But the realist in me told me he was going to lose the 2020 election because there is a large segment of the voting population who will simply not vote for someone they don't like, or they will vote against that person they don't like when they might not otherwise vote at all. This was the case in 2016, except those voters wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton. And, in 2020, I was right.

    In 2020 Trump gained more votes than he did in 2016, but he didn't gain in percentage of votes (46.1% and 46.8%). What Trump did during his 4 years in office was to energize and strengthen the opposition with his personal behavior. And, shrewdly, the Democrats nominated old "Uncle Joe", a likeable enough character (if he wasn't so corrupt and creepy). But his corruption and creepiness aside, they presented him as the "adult in the room", and it worked.

    And then there was January 6th. Now regardless of your opinion or my opinion of that day, politically, it was a bad day for Trump. For a lot of people, that was a watershed moment, the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. And now he's warning of "death and destruction" if he's indicted.

    And I'm telling you, the Democratic strategy will work again in 2024. Maybe with Biden or maybe with someone else like the Governor of California. Who knows? But Trump is already on his way to creating division within his own party by his attacks on Ron DeSantis. He hasn't learned. He hasn't changed. I don't think swing voters and Independents (at least a third of the voting population and a crucial bloc that must be won by either party in order to win) are going to vote in the majority for a man they don't like and who, in their minds, creates self-serving hatred and chaos.

    So, in my opinion, he has no chance.

    I think the Biden presidency has been a disaster, and I fear more disasters to come with this presidency. But I also think that if the Republicans nominate Trump, they will throw away the chance at getting rid of this terrible administration and throw away the opportunity to turn things around. My personal opinion is that Trump would lose in 2024 by such a large margin that it would leave absolutely no doubt, regardless of any allegations of voting shenanigans by the Democrats. No doubt.

    If I were a committed Democrat, I would be contributing money to Trump's campaign. I would be hoping the Republicans nominate him. And the last thing I would want would be for the Republicans to get united behind DeSantis, Haley, or Pence. If I were a Democrat, that would be my only worry. But as long as Trump remains ahead in Republican polls, I'm a happy Democrat.

    If the Republicans want to win in 2024, they must nominate someone other than Trump.

    Seth
     
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