1 person dead, suspect in custody following shooting at Denver protests: Police

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  1. PatriotNews

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    Reports claim that it was Antifa that shot this patriot going to a rally. There will be more evidence to come for sure. This report claims the shooter is a security guard. Why are security guards shooting people at a rally if this is true? There is no possible justification for this shooting. Even if the man use pepper spray, shooting him is not reasonable force in response.

    Expect more dead patriots in the days to come as Trump supporters refuse to be intimidated and Joe Biden's Antifa & BLM thugs hunt them down.
     
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    Haven't seen a video. All I can glean from the net is the guy who was shot and killed was attending a pro-police rally.
     
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    Denver PD saying its a private security guard for a news station and are definitely saying there is no connection to ANTIFA - even though its been less than 5 hours since the shooting occurred. Not sure how they managed to rule that out so fast, but then locals have expressed their belief that the City of Denver and thus its police department is running cover for ANTIFA and BLM terrorist activities. There's a claim circulating social media by alleged eye-witnesses that the shooter shouted 'no more racists' but I haven't seen any proof of that yet, although police do say there was a "verbal altercation" prior to the shooting.
     
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    Sounds like much ado about nothing.

    The shooting has NO Relation to BLM or Antifa.

    An Epically-Failed attempt at a "Hey lookie, here! Dems Bad" Faux Narrative.

    January 20th can't come soon enough. Trump MUST Go.

    Hopefully his supporters act the part of Patriotic Americans and help President Biden heal the country.

    Godspeed.:flagus:
     
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    We will see what evidence presents itself

    As to the pepper spray, it is classified as assault and one can absolutely use a self defense claim should they be attacked in such a manner

    I think the only thing this absolutely highlights is that America is in a bad place, we need to identify what or who has pushed us down this road and denounce it — or we will watch the nation crumble.
     
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    I'm skeptical that you would feel the same if someone from the BLM or Antifa side was the one with the pepper spray. As cd8ed said, using pepper spray on someone is assault, and the victim has a right to defend themselves. Since the news people and security guard presumably weren't attacking the "patriot," the pepper spraying can't possibly be justified. I've seen way too many people complaining about this shooting who, in the past, defended the actions of those who used deadly force to stop a non-lethal assault when their ideology happend to line up with the shooter. And that, even when the shooter provoked the assault.
     
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    that is not what I heard, I heard it was some private security guard hired by channel 9 news and when someone sprayed him with mace, he shot him - but maybe I am wrong, just what I read somewhere

    I think that would be classified as excessive force to shoot him in response to being maced, maybe a cop could get away with it, not a security guard

    edit, added a link

    https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/10/denver-protests-saturday-civic-center-park/

    "The incident occurred after a man participating in what was billed a “Patriot Rally” sprayed mace at another man. That man then shot the other individual with a handgun near the courtyard outside the Denver Art Museum, according to a Denver Post journalist who witnessed the incident."

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    There's at least one connection to Antifa:

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    yeah, not sure what the law would say on that, I remember when a suspect pointed a tazer at a cop it was considered a deadly weapon, so just not sure anymore - sounds like both in the wrong to me, one paid for it with their life, the other may pay legally through the courts
     
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    Yes, the "victim" has the right to defend himself, but not with deadly force.
     
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    You're not very familiar with self-defense laws, are you?
     
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    Where's the line for when assault goes from not justifying to justifying deadly force?
     
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    A reasonable belief of imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury, like in most states

    Here's the nub of Colorado's self-defense statute, § 18-1-704:

    "... a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for that purpose.

    (2) Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and:

    (a) The actor has reasonable ground to believe, and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury ..."

    That highlighted portion is why the shooter is screwed. Pepper spray doesn't amount to an "imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury". He could have punched the pepper sprayer, or pushed him, or put him in a headlock, but his use of deadly force was not justified under the law. He's going to rot in prison.
     
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    Once the shooter is identified the internet sleuths will be able to deep dive their social media history (even if its currently in the process of being scrubbed) and if there's anything to find it will be found. Until then we need to wait.
     
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    It depends on the state and the situation.
    The DA will determine the charges

    There are numerous cases where pepper spray has been deemed a “deadly weapon”.
     
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    unless they wear a badge and I do not think security guard counts

    now if he was a security guard in a bank, and bank robbers did this, maybe

    that said, it's also wrong to spray others with mace
     
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    Gee, thinking of one man as the source of all evil cannot possibly be a bad thing could it? By making Trump the source of all ills, it has made him out to be much bigger than he actually is but it's also made the gravitation to and against him much bigger than it has to be as well.

    The other issue with that though, is that once he's gone and the ills remain, what will we turn to then?
     
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    Who mentioned trump? He is the symptom not the disease.
     
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    I think the civil unrest on both sides will settle down after Trump leaves office, may take some time, but I think it will
     
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    What's the 'disease' then?
     
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    Vote for Joe Biden or the murders of Trump supporters on the streets in broad daylight will continue.

    Got it.
     
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    It has been charged in numerous cases as a deadly weapon.
    We will have to wait to see what the DA does and what aggravating factors there are.
    Trespass would be a major one, why would a security guard draw a weapon on someone not inflaming the situation? Why would he respond with pepper spray. All of these go into determining the charges.
     
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    excessive foreign outsourcing and excessive foreign imports are leaving people without jobs, I think that is what is allowing Trump to divide us, people want someone to blame
     
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    huh, who said that

    I would say don't pepper spray people and don't get shot

    that said, I think both parties were in the wrong, one paid for it with his life, the other will in the courts - two lives ruined
     
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