14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

Excellent. And America exceptionalism relates to wearing seat belts and handling the Covid epidemic. We foreigners can only look on aghast.

 

I love to post the first video on most threads about gun control. Strangely there is always silence from the pro-gunners

"alright, I was naked at the time!",
"and you've got Kevin"

 

The only exceptionalism is the way the politicians let themselves be bribed by the gun manufacturers.
Corruption is king in the US, at the expense of children.

 

I think there's something deeper than just bribes. There's this culture of loving guns and hating government that plays a part.
But government has more than drones - it has howitzers, cruise missiles, F35's and of course, nukes - so standing up to govt
with an AR15 is rather funny - these firearms are not called 'light arms' for nothing.

 

I was unaware that you supported gunsters registering their weapons like automobiles to assist law enforcement when they are stolen or used in crimes. I was under the impression that the crazies among them try to hide their ownership.

I'm with the majority of decent Americans when it comes to sensible measures to end the lethal permissiveness:

Most Voters Want Congress To Pass Stricter Gun Laws​

... and I like this guy's no nonsense, common sense approach in the face of the extremism:

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Do you believe in restricting the rights of adults?

 

Permissiveness? Is that a word you use in place of rights? The 2A doesn't restrict a person's right to the number of guns they own. And like I said it only takes one gun to kill.

 

By corruption, you mean the right of 85 million gun owners to possess their weapons. If you think you can disarm 85 million people without a revolution, well all I can say is good luck with that.

When you advocate for consolidating all force to the state, you are always on the side of corruption. By definition if you support splitting force to the states and to the people, you are always the on side of minimizing corruption.

Your post is therefor gaslighting or gross and criminal ignorance of history. I can't tell which. For a little context, state sponsored murders in the 20th century ran in to the hundreds of millions while murders ran in to the hundred of thousands. That is several orders of magnitude difference (1000 times more likely to be murdered by the state than by a regular citizen).

 

Major reforms have taken place in Australia, France, the UK, Canada and Norway.

There has been no revolution.

They have far fewer homicides, almost no mass shootings.

 

I have no problem with that but there should be exceptions made for people who are in the military and law enforcement and other professions that requires a gun.

 

To the extent that no constitutional right is absolute, of course.

Why should everyone be forced to indulge crackpots with permissiveness when they pose a serious danger to decent folks?

 

Reasonable restrictions in the public interest are both constitutional and eminently sensible.

Again, how could any rational American argue against this:

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So true. You might as well hold on to a pitchfork when a cruise missile flies your way. It doesn't matter. There simply is no way that a civilian group armed with semi's is able to stop the US army. So there is no reason to claim a semi is needed to be part of the 2nd amendment. So the bar can be lowered from not having auto, but also having semi banned. For all I care they could make an exception for shooting ranges, where they will keep your weapon in their storage. But I fail to see why anyone would need one. Those weapons are build to kill people as effective as possible. And that's just unlawful to do as some kind of hobby.

 

By corruption I mean, that the majority of the country simply wants much harsher gun laws, and the predominantly the GOP politicians have been bribed to vote against the will of the people. And bribed by the gun manufacturers so they can sell more guns to have a bigger profit.... and it's done over the dead bodies of loads of children. Them gun supporters must be so proud.

I also said nothing about disarming anybody. You're the one gaslighting this. tss tss.

And I add, that the GOP is trying to invent all kinds of dumb ways to control gun violence.
Policies to control gun violence have already been invented and applied.
That's where the search starts and ends with tweeking it, instead of thinking your wheel you invented is so much better.
Because claiming an other solution must be working better, is not build on any facts, now is it?

 

Interesting. You don’t see a difference between the power (from the barrel of a gun) residing in the hands of central government vs. the people? That’s disturbing.

 

Semi-auto is just a deer rifle as far as long guns go. Glock and Baretta pistols are semi-auto. Those are here to stay, and banning semi-auto would almost certainly fail as unconstitutional because it would be indistinguishable from banning guns.
Full auto is unlawful as a public safety measure.

 

LOL. Yeh the Australian man Jeffries would probably have a go at the girlfriend while tied up and thank the perp for helping him get some. Australia is on par with Saudi Arabia for misogyny. We can make funny bits about that as well.

But would my bit above be based on YOUR attitude towards women or an inaccurate stereotype used to denigrate something not well understood?

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/australian-men-rank-among-most-misogynistic/

I get the desire to ridicule and create false dichotomy. It’s considered effective by some, but I believe it’s counterproductive in the long run.

You would be better served by learning than by stereotyping based on what you are told by those with an agenda.

As I point out to others, if saving lives was what was important to the people stoking your emotions, they would be educating you on ways to reduce all violence.

For the record, I own guns mainly to do killings for society as a whole that doesn’t want to do necessary killings themselves.

 

No. I have posted facts.

Democrats support single parenthood. That has been proven.

You spun that to suggest that I said only democrats get divorce, which is not what was said and then post that as a retort because you can't debate the facts presented.

 

I already replied to this, that this is just an interpretation of elected people. Nothing of the sort is mentioned in the constitution. It reads as far as I know: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Can you point out where it says hunting is part of it? I'm not aware a militia is like there for the sake to hunt.

 

Human beings tend to be very passive and submissive when confronted by authority figures.
Americans? Not so much. Americans are the exception.
And that is a good thing for America -- and the world.

 

Given the very clear historical record, it is fair to say that the objective of those who support the Big Government model of government is not to save lives.

 

I'm curious, if the American government threw out elections and became tyrannical, can any of those that support gun control tell me how that would be stopped?

Are we going to wait on government to self correct?

What's the plan stan?

 

Oddly enough, never heard of this Jeffries guy before. And it's an odd form of humor - no jokes, no funny faces - it's
as if the joke is the actual gun nut himself.
Dunno about any of this woman stuff. I never mentioned that.

 

The Supreme Court has ruled that the 2A establishes an individual right to keep and bear arms, apart from any consideration of militia.

 

Ya and you still have illegal firearms.. Ya I KNOW, it sux when the facts destroy your point and claim