$15 wage has consequences already

So the who idea behind this thread was garbage.

Thank you.

 

perhaps because we now have another liberal example, where students don't want their tuition to go up anymore to pay for these jobs, and professors who receive generous compensation aren't willing to take pay cuts in order to keep these 500 jobs... so who is left to pay for these jobs if the students and employees won't share the burden? "someone else should pay" seems to be the only answer the left providers in this scenario... wouldn't liberal ideology in practice be students willing to pay higher tuition, and professors willing to take pay cuts, yet when it comes time to put your money where your mouth is, the liberals seemed to have packed bags and left...

surely if students and professors believed in the ideology, both would make concessions yes? but both sides seem to just be looking out for themselves?

P.S. and to extend this logic even further, WHY does the university get an exemption from local minimum wage increases simply because its a "government agency"... wouldn't liberals who believe in living wages and a fair shake, not allow government agencies like the university to be exempted from providing them? while they compel private organizations to pay the higher local minimum wage ordinances? isn't it ironic they exempt themselves then blame "right wingers" for their actions? you tell me!

 

California minimum wage hike hits L.A. apparel industry: 'The exodus has begun"

Last week American Apparel, the biggest clothing maker in Los Angeles, said it might outsource the making of some garments to another manufacturer in the U.S., and wiped out about 500 local jobs.

Felix Seo has been making clothes for wholesale in downtown for 30 years. His company, Joompy, used to count giant retailers like Forever 21 among its clients. To survive, Seo, 59, said Joompy may have to start importing goods instead of producing them locally. "It will be impossible to make clothes in Los Angeles," he said.

 

We can either have a society populated by the working poor (on welfare, desperate and unmotivated about life in general), or we can consider that a living wage will allow many to LIFT themselves to greater height and accomplishments.

As things are now, we're just breeding poverty, discouragement and crime. Worker have been in the process of being DEVALUED for over 40 years. And it is time for that to change. If we do not change it, the nation falter in a massive way; it won't likely destroy us, but the suffering will be virtually insurmountable. History has already taught us that lesson.

 

Amen to that!!!

 

Even the right wing can't support this crap.

 

Where in the Constitution are the "rights" of these "market forces" placed above the rights and general welfare of We the People?

 

Anything to back that up?
Any proof at all it's because of the $15 wage that doesn't even kick in for a few more years?
Or you just making it up again?

 

We the People formed a more perfect union with a goal of improving the general welfare of We the People.

So there is nothing, other than greed, selfishness and ignorance, preventing We the People from deciding that hardworking Americans deserve a living wage for supplying our labor to corporations that use it to enrich their shareholders.

Greedy, selfish corporations are free to go elsewhere but since We the People are also the CONSUMERS that provide the PROFITS that these greedy, selfish corporations NEED in order to pay their shareholders they either need to adapt to this new reality or other, more civic minded, corporations will replace them here in the US market.

 

Only 16% of these jobs are held by workers that are 15-21 years old so I think that myth should be put to bed. You can do the math that 84% are 22 years old and up. I agree 15$ is too much, but I also agree the min wage should go up. Imo there should be a 2 stage min wage where teen workers get somewhere around what the min is now and others should get more than what it is now(10$ an hour).

 

Thank you for proving my point,

 

the ucb cuts have nothing to do with the minimum wage. zero, zilch zippo

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he is just making it up again.

 

Living according to who's definition and quality of life. Should a family of 4 live off minimum wage? Frack no!!! Should a young single person with a roommate or two be able to get by? Yup and they can. That's all minimum wage was designed for. Nothing more. People making careers off MW have no one t blame but themselves.


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Because the "adequate" salaries of the white collar people - or middle management segment of society has not been restored, yet, or addressed. There is no middle class to support the raise in salaries of the lower class. The rich sure aren't eating at McDonalds!

 

Since it requires market forces to make enough money to pay you.

 

We have to start making things better for working people somehow. A bunch of working poor people, will get America nowhere.

 

1) The minimum wage has no significant effect on poverty.
2) The only justification for any minimum wage is to combat monopsony, especially in infant industries.
3) A minimum wage set above equilibrium price for the lowest skilled positions will have disemployment effects.

These aren't exactly disputable. They're economic facts.

 

The discussion needs to be on salaries for middle class, skilled and educated labor (not to mention experienced!). Those jobs went away during the 2007 depression (it was and still is a depression) and salaries in remaining jobs were cut in half. The middle class drives the economy. There is no trickle down from the top. There certainly is no trickle up from the bottom!

 

Except those economic facts disagree with you. Study after study has shown that increasing the min wage lifts people out of poverty, raises wages up the pay scale and either has no impact on employment or INCREASES employment.

 

Non sequitur!

I exposed your position as utterly irrelevant because this nation is governed by We the People and not "market forces".

 

Seriously?

You are blaming the hardworking Americans who used to earn decent living wages working in factories before the Wall Street Casino Bosses excessive greed forced their jobs offshore leaving them with nothing but minimum wage jobs to subsist on?

Why does the extreme right ALWAYS blame the victims instead of the perpetrators?

 

The rush to the bottom "market forces" are not in the Constitution and are anathema to the General Welfare of We the People.

Nothing stopping the government OF the People and FOR the People from regulating those "market forces" to align with the General Welfare of We the People.

 

Appeal to Authority failure!

The onus is on you to provide the economic facts that support your allegations.

 

We ridicule the idea that somebody even deserves "an adequate wage", whatever that is, just because they punched the time clock. Some jobs you need to learn, and you simply do not warrant that kind of pay while somebody else has to stop being productive just to show your dumb ass how to do simple work.

We also ridicule the idea of the minimum wage because if you're worth it, you'll earn far more than just $15.00/hr.

It's YOU on the left that ridicule the idea of working your way up the ladder, of making sacrifices to earn your pedigree in whatever field you choose, to actually deserve that money and more. You've got this all backwards!

 

Have you thought that maybe the problem is not the job they are doing, but rather that they got a degree in a low demand profession in the first place, and never even considered the marketability of their degree. So, now they are loaded down in debt, with a worthless degree in Feminine Studies or Art Theory or African History, and come to find out that the only place a degree like that matters is at a University, who might hire you to teach that subject to the next round of idiots.

Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, they got the wrong degree, or should never have gotten a degree in the first place?