2 cheerleaders were shot in a Texas supermarket parking lot

you keep spewing that claim and you have no come close to explaining why the worst shitholes in terms of murder are dem run urban areas with strong gun laws.

 

Are you hearing yourself? lol
Chicago, New York, Baltimore are not in typical red wing states, like Louisiana.
Louisiana doesn't even have major cities, and is the worst of the worst.

You would know this if you are an American.

God didn't give the constitution.
And the right to bear arms is not applied to criminals and psychopaths.
There are laws against it and they are constitutional.

 

the worst 1% counties in the USA are responsible for over 40% of the murders and almost every one of them is deep blue

 

People do it from instructions off of youtube dude.
A little solder is so much more simple its hard to express the difference.

Sure sure sure, keep chanting it.

 

I believe that you mentioned something about drilling a hole in a gun and then filling the hole.

Please clarify.
I'm a blacksmith who has done some work on guns and am just curious.

Thanks,

 

You are correct all of these are deep blue states

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In 2020, firearms were involved in 79 percent of all homicides and 53 percent of all suicides.

Mississippi, Louisiana, Wyoming, Missouri and Alabama have the highest firearm mortality rates in the country, according to the CDC

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Alaska, New Mexico, Arkansas, South Carolina, Tennessee and Montana also have high firearm mortality rates.

The states with the lowest gun death rates

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include Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island and New York.“

 

First off, just because a state is majority Republican, it doesn't mean the states sins go to the majority. If you have 51 chihuahuas and 49 pit bulls, it's a safe bet that any issues will reside with the minority.

As for criminals and psychopaths. If you don't have a record of crimes or mental issues, and you intend to do harm, a background check is essentially useless.

If you believe in the birth of America, God is the cause of our independence, our rights, and our equality, made equal by virtue of our all springing from one God. The Constitution is a stipulation of that sentiment, with the spirit of God inherent in it. Otherwise, the Constitution wouldn't exist. We fought a war with England for this. It's no small matter. Read the Declaration of Independence.

 

But as I noted it's unconstitutional to detain people once their sentence has expired. Sure, you send someone who commits a serious crime like murder away for life or until they're to old to be a danger to society any longer but you can't do that with repeat minor offenders, the ones who do by or sell drugs at the street level, commit petty theft or have bad driving histories etc. Twenty years inside for driving unlicensed or in an unregistered vehicle? And on top of that even if you could do that it's taxpayers who foot the bill! On average it costs about $46,000 p.a. to keep someone in jail in the US. Just the direct costs of keeping the current prison population in jail now is already almost 85 billion dollars p.a! In a lot of cases it would be cheaper to pay a petty criminal $40,000 or so a year just to stop committing crime than it would be to put him/her inside!

 

Gun Laws don't matter if they are not strictly enforced as is currently the case.

 

That's your opinion.

And the idea that it will reduce crime is probably based that the predominantly red states -here we have it again- with weak gun laws, got the highest homicide ratings of the US.
They apply facts. Your opinion is unfounded.

 

Oh I prove ages ago that the cities like Baltimore and Chicago can trace the weapons used by criminals often enough to red states with weak gun laws. You're aware of it too that I have, but like to hear it over and over where exactly you lost the argument like last month.

 

I agree the topic of 'children' is emotional but then outside of civil wars in developing nations the only place the world sees school shootings on a regular basis is the US so of course it's distressing. Aside from that however mass shootings including school shootings are only a small % of the annual gun death toll. And while hardening every school in the country at taxpayers expense would make it harder (not impossible) for a would be mass shooters to enter schools they can if they so wish simply switch to any other location you might think of where children gather in large numbers, not as convenient (for them) of course but easily doable. Think malls, arcades, concerts, parks pools etc etc Basically it comes down to whether their crime is spontaneous or premeditated. It's a horrific thought but if someone is willing and motivated enough to put some degree of effort and planning into committing their crime?

I would remind you however that the point I been making all along is that given the legal status quo in the US there is no measure that will significantly reduce the US death toll from firearms. If you can think of one, more power to you. But in reality every suggestion I've heard to date is either unconstitutional or just tinkers around the edges. So all that's left I'm afraid is to just grab your popcorn and coke, sit back and watch the horror show unfold.

 

Oh, we could easily do something about it. But letting violent people back out of jail isn’t slowing down at all.

 

lol... sure sure.
Let me remind you that you first ranted about "Then file down the serial number" as if that would work.
I wrote such a thing doesn't work at all. I needed to prove it. And so I did.
So that shows it's absolutely not part of specifically your common knowledge one bit,... "dude". lol
You had no freaking idea at all. So don't go tell me what is easy and common.
I be telling you.

You also ranted about "solder" new material. You solder microchips... "dude".
That's such a weak technique that it will just blow right off when you use your gun.
So that too shows you still had no freaking clue what you were talking about.
Welding aint solding

And you kept talking about removing underlying compressed layers of material.
A firearm aint a freaking union with layers. You must go all the way through.



Point stands to weld a firearm back in to a reasonable safe object is out of reach of most petty criminals.
It is going to be part of making the US a safer place.


And I add. Typical red states with weak gun laws got high homicide rates.
Weak laws do not work. There is an entire thread dedicated to this.

 

I don't care about that one bit. Something like 155 million people voted in the 2020 elections out of 330 million. Typically a US president gets to rule with somewhere of a 1/3 to a 1/4 of the population voting on him. And THEY are responsible for the laws they make that everybody else needs to comply to. And the weak laws made in your typical red state cause a high homicide rate. The burden is on the GOP on this one.

You say this, the stats show that.

just lol. It wasn't God. It was a war where France and the Netherlands joined forces and supplied the US rebels with the weapons and loans to make it happen. While also starting a war against the UK. Hence the peace treaty of the UK with the US was signed in Paris, with the Dutch, French and Spain. Pick up a history book and learn maybe? lol

As far as I know, the only reference to God is at the date where it was signed. Kind of it.

 

you keep missing the big picture or dishonestly ignoring it. you cannot figure out why those blue voters seem to want to commit so much more mayhem and murder. It's not the guns causing the deaths-IT is CRIMINALS and they are mainly coming from blue supporters in BLUE cities. And those of us living in red areas and who vote red aren't killing and murdering at near the rates as DEMOCRATS living in DEMOCRAT cities

 

why do blue areas cause far more problems with illegal firearms than red areas do with LEGAL firearms? like it or not, the people who vote like you do are the ones racking up murder victims, rape victims and robbery victims.

 

Please see the link below and refer to the section on the impact of Criminal Justice Reform (what is often referred to as being lenient on crime).

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...ies-understanding-recent-trends-violent-crime

Long story short there is little if any evidence that your suggestion would have a significant impact. Like most of the stuff people suggest on this forum in lieu of some kind of Constitutional reform (not happening anytime soon) it would basically just be tinkering around the edges of the problem. It might make people feel good (for a while) but it won't actually change anything significantly.

 

I can pretty easily call bullshit on that, since if they’re locked away they aren’t…say it with me now…out doing the same crimes for a while and we’re safer.

if you wanna tell someone who was just assaulted or robbed by someone who was let out of prison early that them still being incarcerated wouldn’t “change anything” you be my guest.

of course you could just show them that stupid link and maybe that’s satisfying.

 

Say it with me now. Its unconstitutional to lock someone up once their sentence has expired. Nor can you lock someone away for life for criminal offenses because in your opinion they just 'might' commit a violent crime some time in the future. Also fun fact for the day: violent serial criminals are not responsible for the bulk of murders in the US, those are committed by 'normal citizens'.

National Youth Gang Survey Extract 'The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually.'

I will of course search for later figures but that proportion is unlikely to have changed significantly .

 

yeah I agree, about locking people away but felons commit over 80% of the murders in the USA

 

Where did you get that statistic? The best I can find is one from the FBI stating that felonies (rape, robbery, burglary, etc.) accounted for 23.1 percent of murders. And that was back in 2010 the vast majority of people who commit in street level never go on to serious crimes like murder or attempted murder.

 

I posted the study in the last day. yours was limited to gang members. I can tell you during my thirty years as a prosecutor (from the bottom of the food chain-municipal traffic and misdemeanor to senior litigator in the Dept of Justice) that most of murders we saw were committed by felons or those who had serious juvenile records

 

I'll look that up. I noted a report that showed a statistical correlation between a past history of minor crime to later violent crimes and of course the stat linking 23% of murders to felony crimes. The problem remains however you can't lock someone away effectively for life on misdemeanors or minor felony charges, even a series of them. Not at least until they have extensive criminal records at which point they're in jail most of the time anyway! So I still don't see any real solution. If your lucky you might succeed in knocking a few percentage points off the total murder rate (might being the operative word) but only at horrendous public expense.

 

I don't dispute most of that, I would like to see more intended victims (most victims of murder are mopes, or close associates of mopes) who are not involved in criminal activity, being well trained and able to turn the tables on their attackers. Not stops recidivism better than some thug's victim wasting him