2 cheerleaders were shot in a Texas supermarket parking lot

I rarely say this but I think that you are a little more pessimistic than I am.
Yes, we're not going to eliminate America's homicide rate with any single measure but with a combination of approaches, we can lower it considerably.

The one thing that those "developed" countries with lower homicide rates have that the US does not is a sophisticated, assessable and affordable mental health care system.

I believe that with a similar mental health care system, America could lower its homicide rate considerably.

I've already mentioned hardening the schools like the Israelis have and their last school shooting was in 1974.(1)


Re:

The schools in Israel were hardened at US taxpayer expense so I don't see why we can't do the same here in the US and not enjoy the same success.

You're right in that mass killers could chose less secure targets but I believe that schools are targeted because they are "gun free zones" and, therefore, soft targets while "... malls, arcades, concerts, parks pools etc etc" are much more likely to have armed individuals around that shoot back.

So, briefly put, these are three things that I think will lower America's homicide rate:
1. Strictly enforce all existing gun laws.
2. Secure our schools.
3. Upgrade America's mental health system.

Do you still see the situation as hopeless?

Thanks,


(1). "What if American Schools Were Protected Like Israeli Schools?"
https://www.newsweek.com/what-if-am...rotected-like-israeli-schools-opinion-1712864

EXCERPTS "After the Ma'alot Massacre (1974), Israel put into place a nationwide system to fortify and protect all schools of 100 students or more. There have been no other school shootings in Israel since then.

The first thing the country did after the Ma'alot Massacre was to make certain that each school had a perimeter barrier and guarded entry points. This in itself makes a school an unattractive target for a deranged would-be murderer." CONTINUED

 

I'm sorry but as I see the issue the problem is this: The measures that are most likely to significantly reduce gun fatalities are unconstitutional while the measures that are constitutional are least likely to reduce gun fatalities! Ergo there's no way to solve the problem.

To begin with your first suggestion. Your seem to be assuming US gun laws aren't already being 'strictly enforced. What proof do you even have that they are not already being enforced properly?

Then secondly you suggest securing (hardening) US schools. For a start Israel is not the US, Israel has a population of just 9 million while the US has a population of more than 333 million! And US tax payers would have to fund the hardening of schools your suggesting! On top of that Israel reinforces it's security by having it's armed forces (in addition to it's Police force) patrolling it's streets. Not going to happen in the US ever outside of martial law! And the final nail in the coffin of this idea is that even if it was done school shootings represent only a tiny proportion of total US gun fatalities! So even if billions of taxpayers dollars were spent hardening every school in the country the overall impact would be minimal. Especially as a deranged gunman could, if they wished simply choose other sites where children are likely to congregation to attack and that' assuming they don't come up with a plan to try and and penetrate a school's security in the first place.

Your last suggestion has real merit and should be done but again (A) it would cost a huge amount and (B) conservative voters would regard any government based intervention in health care as 'socialism' and would almost certainly resist it. Beyond that leaving it to the private sector while utilizing public funding would simply see money siphoned off as rapidly as possible for minimal outcomes. And if the idea is to restrict the access of citizens with mental health issues to firearms even if they were only episodic and no matter how minor? All I can say is good luck, prepare to see the legislation involved thrown out by the Supreme Court on appeal!

Hence, and yes it is depressing. There is no solution.

 

You think wrongly that we should recline in leisure while God does our part. Our entire nation and society is built and revolves around standards springing from the light of conscience. So it is self evident that we are bound essentially to the unseen and immeasurable, regardless the honors we give and receive from one another. Just as it was self evident to our forefathers that we all spring from one God who is the source of our rights and equality in freedom. All else is attendant to that concept. So set aside your history book and learn some truth. Our founding Fathers were raised by God to bring about our nations birth and liberty. You can dismiss and deny it. Yet the truth remains so. At the core, our nation is an idea in conscience. And it is eternal.

You speak like a man who needs to be sworn to the truth at every opening of his mouth. Consequently your oaths are worthless as your heart is brimming with deceit.

 

With a dremmel tool to scoop it out, sure. No one suggested a buff wheel but your link to a foreign land.
You solder a whole lot of things dude. Its not just for microchips. You realize the soldering gun predates the transistor?
IDK what you think you're talking about dude, serial numbers aren't in the ****ing chamber.

You scoop it out, and fill it in with new metal. They're not reproducing that.

Keep thinking that.

You've yet to prove anything related to that, but keep making yourself feel better champ.

 

Last time I checked, it's the blue voters who want stronger gun laws.
Your idea that a a criminal in a city who votes blue, is a blue voter.... is a utter joke.
I mean. Biden got like what 80 million votes, I recall it was even the highest amount of votes ever.... out of 330 million.
Meaning that thee very vast majority did not vote for him.

Gun laws are predominantly arranged at state level.

 

There is an entire thread that typical red states with weak gun laws got high homicide rates.
Gun laws are predominantly arranged at state level, and not by a county.

 

My vid shows a dremmel like tool. The serial number is complete scratched off. And it's just restored back to the full.
The stamp of the number simply is INSIDE the metal because it's more compressed INSIDE it.

Let me remind you that you asked me to prove it. And that is because YOU DID NOT KNOW.
So don't go act as if you do and got a work around.

You can indeed solder a lot of things, but not a hole in a firearm.
You do not know what you're talking about.

Indeed you could drill it out completely and weld it back up. But that is a massive skill that your random hobo / teenager going for a armed robbery doesn't have.
And with that, it's just like your virus protection on your computer. You don't get a guarantee that you don't get hacked. But it's not made easy.
At the bottom line it is: red states with easy gun laws got high homicide rates.
I'm spotting a link.

 

You've clearly put a lot of thought into your response and I will try to do the same.

1. I suppose that the only "evidence" that I have that gun laws are not being enforced strictly is the number of times I see that as a factor in the news that I read.

I know that's not a very scientific approach but it's just my opinion.

2. I'm not suggesting that we duplicate the Israeli school security model exactly but to adopt that general approach.
You are also right in that it would be expensive when school shootings comprise such a small percentage of all American homicides.

3. Maybe it's because I was a Psychiatric Case Worker and worked in the Juvenile Justice System that I feel the most hopeful about the possibility of more affordable and accessible mental health care in reducing America's homicide rate.
However, the costs and the drawbacks you listed are very real but maybe not as insurmountable as you make them out to be.

I'm afraid that I must disagree that "There is no solution".

I think that there are solutions out there but the question is are we willing to spend the money and do the hard work needed to lower America's homicide rate.

Thanks,

 

A dremmel like tool, not a dremmel. Its a rotating buff wheel ffs. Look at the attachment. I said scoop metal out with a dremmel. That look like its scooping to you?

I asked you to prove it because you're unable to. Which is why you linked to a foreign crime lab using a buff wheel to sand down a bit.

You very much can solder what you scooped out, you'll notice the serial number is not over the chamber.

Using some solder is not a massive skill dude. Using a dremmel is not a massive skill. I have seen so many guns bubbaed up by literal regards I can't properly express it in words.
They don't look great, but they do function.

And those are the ones that HAVE numbers on them. 3d printers good enough to print glock receivers the plans for which are freely downloadable are like 500 bucks these days. Filiment is cheap as ****.

You're spotting a link? That's great man, enjoy. Good for you.

 

A buff tool?
The entire number got scraped out in the vid. lol
And they just made it reservice it, easy.
Most of all: you didn't even know that this could be done.

Absolutely not. Solder can not deal with the violence that comes with a controlled explosion of a firearm. You need to weld.
You have no clue what you're talking about.

Sure, sure... everybody is using 3d printed guns. Oh wait.... lol

Is that all you got? lol
All that GOP talk that everybody needs to be armed, in a very easy way.... results in higher homicide rates.
The policy doesn't work. And you would be standing at the front of the line if it did. .... but it's not.
The opposite is the reality. And yeah, I'll be rubbing this in.
Better put on your big boy pants on.

 

SCOOPED OUT. Not buffed down. SCOOPED OUT. Then for extra you solder new material in it.
Most of all: I too have seen CSI.


Its not containing the chamber pressure dude. Clutch your pearls more.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...inst two men who,trafficking them in the city.
https://www.police1.com/police-prod...inals-are-using-3d-printing-IGxcAeGQNtLm3TJ3/
https://3dprint.com/291684/3d-print...less-than-two-years-3dprint-com-investigates/
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63495123
https://www.amny.com/news/a-new-age-of-gun-crime-nypd-bust-brooklynite-who-3d-printed-firearms/
https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/...host-guns-and-are-they-a-threat-in-europe-too
https://www.audacy.com/wccoradio/news/national/3d-printed-ghost-guns-are-causing-a-surge-in-crime
https://whyy.org/articles/philly-man-accused-3d-printer-ghost-guns/
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/3d-printed-guns-plastic-ballistics-crime
https://www.khou.com/article/news/c...guns/285-d9ee9345-427e-41c2-b4f6-585032eae803
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/01...ders-look-banning-ghost-guns-3d-printed-guns/
https://www.leidensecurityandglobal...n-the-first-conference-on-3d-printed-firearms
https://www.verdict.co.uk/lethal-weapon-3d-printed-guns-are-becoming-a-global-threat/
https://theconversation.com/3d-prin...lia-how-can-we-prevent-them-being-made-193936
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...afety/65-31d0884a-0745-4196-b73b-1df50f724db1
https://calgaryherald.com/news/crim...lowing-investigation-into-3d-printed-firearms
https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/winnipe...An 18-year-old in,to complete 3D-printed guns.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/3d-printed-guns-canada-increase-1.6708049


https://3dprint.com/298612/springfield-men-face-charges-after-police-seize-3d-printed-gun-and-drugs/
https://www.blogto.com/city/2023/02/3d-printed-guns-seized-mississauga/
https://www.stratfordbeaconherald.c...-its-kind-search-warrant-for-stratford-police
https://globalnews.ca/news/9517416/ns-man-weapons-trafficking-3d-printed-guns/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-04/canberra-man-faces-court-over-3d-printed-guns/102302554
https://manufactur3dmag.com/recovery-3d-printed-guns-rise-in-new-york/
https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/ghost-gun-seizures-on-the-rise-in-calgary
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ne-gun-using-3D-printer-believed-kind-UK.html
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co...hine-gun-seized-bradford-had-made-3d-printer/
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edwi/p...anufacturing-and-trafficking-3d-printed-ghost

O sure sure sure, no one is using 3d printed guns. And certainly not one person is selling 3d printed guns to gangbangers out of their trap house. No siree. Never happens. Not at all. Certainly I didn't find all these above links depicting just that in 5 minutes of idle time. O... wait.... lol

Is that all YOU'VE got?

 

They can use sandpaper and elbow grease for all I care.

Point stands that when you get rid of a registration number without drilling all the way through, it means the authorities can restore the number.
Point stands that there is no way you can patch up a hole in a firearm by soldering around. You need to weld.
Solder itself is made from tin and lead and comes on a spool, where you can twist it right off.
It's weaker than your random paperclip. There is no way it can withstand the violence of a firearm. It'll just fly right off.
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

And welding is a skill not too many people have. Get over it already.

dramatized and flawed.

This is filled with instances where a 3d printed gun was found, ranging from Canada to the UK.
At no point are you proving that the % of these 3d printed guns gets anywhere near something substantial.

Do note. I never suggested that there is a law that will prevent ALL gun related violence.
Heck, it's impossible to have such a law as far as I know. People will make counterfit money as well.
It surely doesn't mean you should not have any kind of precautions to make it dang hard to counterfit.
Same goes for weapons. The predominantly red states with weak gun laws, got high homicide ratings.
They are showing us all that other states with more precautions preform better.
Who knew, right?... right?

 

Again: Yes, it will, the part a serial number is on is not holding chamber pressure.

Yes, I'm pointing out CSI is over dramatized, and the concept that you can ALWAYS recover a serial number is that.

Its filled with instances of 3d printed guns being recovered in arrests of criminals. Some of them are black market manufactorums where they are clearly selling guns they make to other criminals.
Its filled with instances of these guns being recovered exponentially increasing.

 

lmao.
Just banging to gun on a table will get it loose.

CSI is not just over dramatized, it's also flawed.
And I showed how seriously easy it is to make a number appear that has been completely erased. The stamp is within the metal itself. It's not like a sicker.

You're not able to post that 3d printed guns are currently some kind of % of the total, are you? lol

 

No, it wont.

Which is why you scooped the metal out and replaced it.

Be honest: How many of those links did you actually read?

 

The metal is weaker than a paperclip, so it's a yes.
And you do not know what you're talking about.

Deflecting
You're not able to post that 3d printed guns are currently some kind of % of the total, are you? ... strike 2.

 

And the part on a pistol that takes a serial number doesn't get subjected to chamber pressure ffs.

That's a no I didn't read any of those links reality.
You should.

 

How is it you’re still flailing around when overloaded with facts and relevant links? You’ve done nothing but make things up and pretend the evidence presented isn’t right in front of you? The blue cities with high homicide rates exist because thugs don’t care about the strict laws.

 

Doesn't matter. The shock the firearm experiences as a whole will do. There is a reason no gun manufacturer is soldering a firearm.

And strike 3. You're just posting rare occasions across the world. At no point have you proved it's even 1%.