2015 Already Setting Heat Records

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by TheTaoOfBill, Apr 20, 2015.

  1. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    first let me say that i am not an alarmist on this issue
    nor do i think we have a good understanding of how much of what is happening is normal vs man caused

    and i agree that the recent flattening of the warming trend does not match the expectations of many
    and that current trends do not seem cataclysmic

    that said, i continue to feel there is substantial reason for concern and caution

    if nothing else
    it seems clear that the oceans are acidifying which could be devastating

    it seems pretty clear that glaciers are receding and disappearing
    animals are changing their habitat
    forests are suffering damaging infestations of bugs otherwise killed by the cold

    although the current rate of change of temperature seems small
    there could be lots of reasons for this
    and we have no assurance that the future will not bring higher than expected changes
    it is like looking at a few years of the stock market and making long term projections

    over all
    i am convinced that co2 is a greenhouse gas and WILL have an impact on climate and the ocean
    and given the massive long term inertias involved
    i think an abundance of caution is prudent
     
  2. Jack Links

    Jack Links Well-Known Member

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    Unreal! All these climate change deniers. More work to be done. Must pump more propaganda into peoples' minds. Obammy made a speech recently about the most dangerous thing facing the planet today..........climate change!
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    there is no consensus on what percent CO2 plays in the affect GHGs play on global climate.

    estimates are from I believe 18-35%.

    we also don't know exactly how much Milankovitch Cycles cause cyclical climate changes.

    I think there are just too many variables to make climate change models very reliable.

    I do NOT question that CO2 plays a part. It would be ignorant to do so.

    The question is how much.

    But I tell you this: I am very suspicious of extremist and hysterical climate change predictions. I believe they are politically motivated.
     
  4. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Opinion is not proof.
     
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    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have to call BS on your map. It says Louisiana was near average. To be near average, we would have had to reach 100F at least a few times. And not the heat index. I haven't seen 100F since 2012. And after waking up to 43F temps this morning, we're nowhere near close to average temps. We should be high 50's and mid 80's to be near average right now. In March, we averaged 18 to 20 degrees below average. Not only that, but I believe that last time "Live Science" was used as a source, it was laughed at by liberals and progressives.
     
  6. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    The milankovitch cycle has the benefit of being a cycle. In other words it's highly predictable. It doesn't deviate in duration much. At the current stage in the milankovitch cycle we should be cooling not warming. And we should be doing so over the span of thousands of years. Not 100. That's why scientists are absolutely positive it's not the milankovitch cycle.

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    You think LA reaches 100f on average in march!? Really?! It doesn't even reach that on average in the summer.

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    What part of that post was an opinion?

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    Really only coldest in one region of the world. The rest of the world experienced either an average or an above average or a record breaking winter.
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not frightened by a 1 degree increase in temps over the past 135 years.
     
  8. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    He has none. He's repeating conservative blogs. Not scientists.
     
  9. 1wiseguy

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    That about sum all this AGW/ Climate Change whining to me.
     
  10. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    In the natural event of things, the Earth is still coming out of the last ice age. But for some reason, people like you want to blame miniscule temperature fluctuations on Humans. Why????

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  11. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    The ice age was only 5 degrees less than it was today. We're predicted to move up by 6 degrees in the next 100 years if emissions aren't cut. If you're not worried abotu 1 degree in 100 years it's because you don't understand the impact of 1 degree in global average temperature.
     
  12. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    there is no rational scientific basis to predict a 6 degree increase in average temps over the next 100 years.

    its all anti-Capitalist, Ludite, anti-Industry fear-mongering.

    btw, all these folks demanding the USA and The West cut GHG emissions significantly, don't say a thing about India and China's GHG emissions.

    China's emissions have now surpassed the USA's, but Leftists don't focus on them.

    Proof that this is all politics.
     
  13. jbh100

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    Ahhh, the fantasy of GW continues. The arrogance of mankind thinking he is now in charge of nature and knows what the temp "should" be and how high the oceans "should" be. All because man "likes it" the way it is now. Therefore it is correct this way and wrong any other way. The arrogance. Amazing. Pathetic really.
     
  14. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    The only arrogance is in people with no data or research of any kind challenging 9.8/10 of all of the most published climate scientists.
     
  15. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    why should a 1 degree increase in average global temps, in 135 years, frighten me?
     
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    ...and the ice age is no longer because we have been steadily warming since then way before the industrial revolution, SUV's and those evil Koch Brothers.

    So, why can't you understand that the Earth has gone through and will continue to go through its natural cycle of climate changes irregardless of humans??????

    Please see post #85.
     
  17. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    Because a few degrees is the difference between Miami and Atlantis.

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    We've looked into this extensively and exhausted every natural explanation for global warming. There is none. Global Warming today is not happening naturally.
     
  18. Hoosier8

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    Yet the pause is now caused by natural variability, but it can't be. There is no natural explanation for no warming or even cooling if it cannot explain warming.
     
  19. 1wiseguy

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    Thanks for your opinion. Unfortunately that is all it is. You have no inarguable proof of the temperatures between Atlantis and Miami, nor is there proof of GW being abnormal.
     
  20. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    Natural variability doesn't create 100 year warming trends.
     
  21. ArmySoldier

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    Everyone look out. The global warming is gonna get us.

    Come on man, take a chill pill. It's weather. Weather changes every day. Becoming paranoid about how hot or cold it might be is worrying for no reason.
     
  22. Oldyoungin

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    Nearly all of the record temps is in Waterworld my friend. Precisely as I said. :cheerleader:

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    .....what do you think happens after an ice age ?
     
  23. Hoosier8

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    It didn't warm between the 40s and late 70s so there is no 100 year warming trend unless you just cherry pick a date. In that case it has been warming since the late 1600's but that knowledge wouldn't be convenient for AGW, would it?
     
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    Are you thanking Global Warming for the drought too?
     
  25. 1wiseguy

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    Well, according to the weather worshipers, man is the root cause for everything to do with weather!
     

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