60% of Germans; Zionism is genocidal.

They executed the Nazis at Nuremberg for what the Nazis believed was a defensive war, and the killed civilians were (according to Nazis) only collateral damage.

You cannot have your cake and eat it, and it is just silly to define only your own wars as "defensive wars" and only your own genocides as " collateral damage".

No sane person will buy this crap any more, we need independent judges!

 

The only thing the (failed) Kyujo coup demonstrated is that some people's notion of honour is silly beyond bounds.
When Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, Germany had already surrendered and the Soviet Union had not prolongued its neutrality pact with Japan. Japan didn't stand a chance anymore and was desperate to finish the war. It had already signalled its will to negotiate a peace treaty, the USA knew it but decided to close the doors to diplomacy and dropped the atom bombs instead.
http://killinghope.org/essays6/abomb.htm

So if a bank robberer uses a human shield you think it's o.k. to shoot the hostage?

From above given link:

"It has been asserted that dropping of the atomic bombs was not so much the last military
act of the Second World War as the first act of the Cold War. Although Japan was targeted, theweapons were aimed straight to the red heart of the USSR. For more than 70 years, the determining element of US foreign policy, virtually its sine qua non, has been "the communist factor". World War II and a battlefield alliance with the Soviet Union did not bring about an ideological change in the anti-communists who owned and ran America. It merely provided a partial breather in a struggle that had begun with the US invasion of Russia in 1918.{18} It is hardly surprising then, that 25 years later, as the Soviets were sustaining the highest casualties of any nation in World War II, the US systematically kept them in the dark about the A-bomb project, while sharing information with the British.
According to Manhattan Project scientist Leo Szilard, Secretary of State Byrnes had said that the bomb's biggest benefit was not its effect on Japan but its power to "make Russia more manageable in Europe".{19}
General Leslie Groves, Director of the Manhattan Project, testified in 1954: "There was never, from about two weeks from the time I took charge of this Project, any illusion on my part but that Russia was our enemy, and that the Project was conducted on that basis."{20}
The United States was thinking post-war. A Venezuelan diplomat reported to his government after a May 1945 meeting that Assistant Secretary of State Nelson Rockefeller "communicated to us the anxiety of the United States Government about the Russian attitude". US officials, he said, were "beginning to speak of Communism as they once spoke of Nazism and are invoking continental solidarity and hemispheric defense against it".{21}
Churchill, who had known about the weapon before Truman, understood its use: "Here then was a speedy end to the Second World War," he said about the bomb, and added, thinking of Russian advances into Europe, "and perhaps to much else besides. ... We now had something in our hands which would redress the balance with the Russians."{22}
Referring to the immediate aftermath of Nagasaki, Stimson wrote of what came to be known as "atomic diplomacy":

In the State Department there developed a tendency to think of the bomb as a diplomatic weapon. Outraged by constant evidence of Russian perfidy, some of the men in charge of foreign policy were eager to carry the bomb for a while as their ace-in-the-hole. ... American statesmen were eager for their country to browbeat the Russians with the bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip.{23}

"The psychological effect on Stalin [of the bombs] was twofold," observed historian Charles L. Mee, Jr. "The Americans had not only used a doomsday machine; they had used it when, as
Stalin knew, it was not militarily necessary. It was this last chilling fact that doubtless made the greatest impression on the Russians."{24}"
http://killinghope.org/essays6/abomb.htm

The Nuremberg Trials underlying definition of war-crimes went along the lines of "everything you did and we did not". You don't have to be Jesus to see the flaws in this kind of ethical reasoning.

As I've said: if you have to ask "why" the bombing of cities should be a war-crime you have a serious problem. To ask that question one either has to have the psychological mindset of a mass-murderer or a considerate inability for abstract thinking. One does not have to have experienced the horrors of air-raids on cities to know that ordinary civilians like you and me should not be subjected to them.

Tell this kid, who didn't have a clue about geopolitical interests, did not start any war and was in no way different from your kids:

Wars are always morally reprehensible. And wars are usually declared "defensive wars" by those who start them. As for those that really are: defense starts and stops at your own doorstep.

 

The leading Nazis trialed at Nuremberg knew very well that it wasn't a defensive war. Whether the population ate the propaganda-lie that it was or whether it didn't and embraced the war anyway is another question.

 

Just finished "The Pianist", another Holocaust horror story. There is no forgiving the German Monsters.

 

Um... it's total war.

Both the Allies and the Axis did it. It happens, and it will continue to happen whenever there is a total war.

Testing our technology wasn't necessary. We did plenty of that in the desert. The reason for the nukes in Japan was twofold -- force Japan into an unconditional surrender and scare the hell out of the Soviets.

It worked on both counts.

 

History is written by the victors. Deal with it.

 

Honestly, "war crime" is a stupid phrase to begin with. What they should really just call it is "retribution."

Whoever loses a war will suffer at the hands of the victors. That's just how it goes. If the Nazies had won at the end of WW2, then the leaders of the Allies (at least the ones in Europe) would be executed for their "war crimes."

It's really just a political thing. Morality doesn't really come into play.

 

See, Serfin, that's where we differ. I totally agree that "that's just how it goes", but I don't think that that's how it should go and I still have not lost hope in humanities' ability to change for the better.

The first step is to expose phoney politicians who pretend that their politics have any moral founding when indeed morality is the least of their interests.

 

No they executed the Nazis for prosecuting a war of aggression, the evidence demonstrated as such. And it's hard to compare gas chambers to drop bombs with a CEP of miles. The Laws of Wars require an armed forces to do everything in their power to reduce collateral casualties, it does not outlaw collateral casualties which is difficult to do with a 1940s bomb sight whose accuracy is measured in miles. This is why nuclear weapons were desired as you could be a mile off target and still expect to take it out.

That word doesn't mean what you think it does. Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"; in order for strategic bombing campaigns to count you'd have to demonstrate that such people were directly targeted.

What crap? You're the one arguing that all collateral casualties are illegal, it is impossible to eliminate all collateral deaths in a war.

 

No we didn't. Negotiation was never on the table, they attacked us and we wanted an unconditional surrender.

False analogy. You have an armed robber and his unarmed cousin, the cousin stands in front of the robber intentionally blocking shots. The perp is about to shoot at a police officer. The cousin would be guilty of assisted homocide and a valid target himself.

So because a weapon has an alternative use in scaring the Soviets, that's evidence it was unnecessary? Yeah it doesn't work like that I'm afraid. By the way, wikipedia is not a valid source, it's an online encyclopedia editable by anyone and verified by literally no one. If you're going to use wikipedia use it as a reference guide and go to the sources they cite to confirm they're true.

Why would I look to an imaginary cultists some crazy people believe rose from the dead. And in fact they weren't.

Murder is an unlawful killing, collateral damage is not unlawful killing.

Then perhaps he shouldn't have lived close to a military target. It's simple, you don't want to be hit in the crossfire, don't be near valuable objectives.

Yes they are, this is why fabricating false claims for a 'defensive war' is also outlawed.

 

AMERICAN TROOPS ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST BECAUSE THE "JEWS" WHO OWN THE FEDERAL RESERVE WANT A BILLION MORE INTEREST-PAYING CUSTOMERS, THE MUSLIMS.

The "jews" are making up or engineering excuses to invade these countries so they can replace all the NON-INTEREST-CHARGING Islamic banks with Fed-like banking mafias THAT MAKE THE "JEWS" MONEY.

Also, the "jews" are using their media to train Americans to hate SHARIA LAW, not because it gives secondary status to women ("jews" couldn't care less about anyone's status but their own) but because it prohibits the collecting of interest, the "jews" main purpose in living.

SHARIAH LAW CAN ONLY BENEFIT MR. AND MRS. AMERICA. Wouldn't you rather just pay a fee for your mortgage rather than 50% in interest over the life of the loan? IT'S A NO-BRAINER.

The "jews" confuse being filthy rich with being smart. So smart that us mortals can't possibly see what they're up to. But you don't have to be smart to be born into a rich, psychotic family. STOP BELIEVING THE JUDEO-COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA! "JEWS" ENGINEERED 9/11 - NOBODY'S BENEFITED FROM IT MORE THAN THEY HAVE.

http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-390626.html

DEAN BERRY MINISTRIES: "When you get tired of fighting the truth."

 

After the world's final battle - the Battle Of Armageddon - there will be no further history. Which is good for the "jews" - whom Jesus/God calls the synagogue of satan. There will be no one left to read how the LORD incinerated you and threw you all in the lake of fire with your wouldbe "messiah", antichrist.

 

Soon there will be no more wars. Because the "jews" will have taken over - through their proxy armies (America being their latest) - every economy on earth. When the "jews" buttboy - the U.S. military - has taken over Syria, Iran, Sudan, Cuba, and North Korea, they will fold all the world's economies into the New World Order.

Many people like you will have a look of bewilderment on your faces because you thought if you stuck up for the "jews" they'd let you co-rule. You're human cattle to them, you're not fit to join them in ruling us Goyim with an iron scepter.

Sources: The "jewish" talmud, their "holy book": http://talmudunmasked.com, and

The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion: http://100777.com/protocols.

 

Jews are people like everyone else. Some are passive, others are not. Some are criminal, others are not. It's just a religion, good or bad, that can be believed by anyone.

 

And you're an illiterate moron without an ounce of reading comprehension. Go ahead and find the post on this forums where I said I support Israel, I can wait.

Dialogue in Hell with Machiavelli and Montesquieu vs Protocols of the elders Zion, fight!

Round 1:
How are loans made? By the issue of bonds entailing on the Government the obligation to pay interest proportionate to the capital it has been paid. Thus, if a loan is at 5%, the State, after 20 years, has paid out a sum equal to the borrowed capital. When 40 years have expired it has paid double, after 60 years triple: yet it remains debtor for the entire capital sum.
— Montesquieu, Dialogues, p. 209
A loan is an issue of Government paper which entails an obligation to pay interest amounting to a percentage of the total sum of the borrowed money. If a loan is at 5%, then in 20 years the Government would have unnecessarily paid out a sum equal to that of the loan in order to cover the percentage. In 40 years it will have paid twice; and in 60 thrice that amount, but the loan will still remain as an unpaid debt.
— Protocols, p. 77

Round 2, Fight!
Like the god Vishnu, my press will have a hundred arms, and these arms will give their hands to all the different shades of opinion throughout the country.
— Machiavelli, Dialogues, p. 141
These newspapers, like the Indian god Vishnu, will be possessed of hundreds of hands, each of which will be feeling the pulse of varying public opinion.
— Protocols, p. 43

Final round, Fight!
Now I understand the figure of the god Vishnu; you have a hundred arms like the Indian idol, and each of your fingers touches a spring.
— Montesquieu, Dialogues, p. 207
Our Government will resemble the Hindu god Vishnu. Each of our hundred hands will hold one spring of the social machinery of State.
— Protocols, p. 65

The Protocols are an anti-semitic hoax. I don't know why you'd even use them when there's legitimate criticisms of Israel to be made... oh wait, that's right, you're dumb.

 

You've watched too many Cowboy films.

People just live in cities. People of all political persuasions, not only those who happen to agree with their countries politics and volunteer to be there.

If you had bothered to open and read the link I gave you, you would not only have noticed that it's not from wikipedia, but you would also know why it deems that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was militarily unnecessary.

Try again: http://killinghope.org/essays6/abomb.htm

The whole point being that the world would be a better place if collateral damage was a war-crime.
As it is it would already help if one had to pay adequate reparations to the victims - high enough to make their death/mutilation not only painful to them and their families but also to the country that dropped the bombs.

I trust you've checked out that there are no military targets near where you live and that as soon as the army does install one, you'll move even if there's nowhere else you could go.
Should a country invent a military target to have a phoney excuse to drop bombs over your house, because it fancies it would be a good shocker to anniilate the city you live in: worse luck.

Tell refugees fleeing into and out of cities how 'simple' it is not to be near 'valuable objectives'. Gosh, you really have no idea what war is like for those on the ground, do you? If you lack the necessary imagination, maybe you should take a little holiday in Homs to find out.

Yes, Bush and his accomplices should certainly be taken to the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

 

There are certain ways in which society can advance, but human nature has been the same since the beginning. Cultures change and technology changes, but you still can't take the selfishness out of humans.

About the only possible way you could is via gene therapy. We may eventually develop the ability to modify our natures, but that's obviously a long way off.

 

While your posts are mildly entertaining, I'm not really sure why you're here. Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously?

 

Well, on good days I like to think that - with occasional relapses - we've moved quite a bit since the dark ages. Just look at your own country: you've achieved at least some form of democracy, you don't burn witches any more, you got rid of slavery, you finally even got rid of segregation, American women are allowed to vote now ...

On bad days I think we're in the process of a huge relapse these days, especially you guys over there.

But still all is not lost - even though watching your news makes me bang my head on the table, you've still got an abundance of bright heads, who know that altruism, a sense for justice and community, is just as important for human survival as selfishness, if not more. After all we're social animals.

 

Well, it works both ways. Humanity has always had its good sides and bad sides. Culture has advanced, but that's not a change in nature -- that's a change in education and adherence to higher reasoning.

I think humanity has always had the capacity for great acts of compassion, but it's also always had the capacity for brutality. I don't think this will ever change short of genetic/pharmaceutical manipulation.

Over a long enough timeline, I suppose evolution would result in changes to our nature, but that's obviously long after we're dead and gone.

 

That's not an actual argument, concession accepted.

Then maybe they shouldn't put significantly important military targets in large cities

I already addressed it. Just because it has a secondary intimidation effect does not change the fact that it was deemed a necessary precursor for the invasion.

It really wouldn't. You'd then legitimize the use of human shields.

Again, you'd have the same effect of allowing rogue regimes to hide behind human shields with impunity.

No military targets near me except a meaningless armory for a single SPG battery and their Paladins. Why would they install any in Beverly, WV? Besides, it's not bomber command's fault that Japan had (*)(*)(*)(*)ty districting standards.

Except the nukes weren't terrorize Japan, the purpose was to prepare the way for Operation Downfall.

It's very simple. Japan just happened to put their military commands and industrial centers in the middle of residential areas. And yes I do know what it's like on the ground, I was in the Army.

No argument from me.

 

So what?

There was an idiot, a student of Jewish professors, who believed that the history is over ("The End of History" by Fukuyama), but it is not!

It ain't over till the fat lady sings!

 

Here is the official definition of genocide:

Everybody can see that the allies also committed genocides, and Zionists commit genocides at this very moment!

 

That is precisely what the Nazi and any other war criminals said!

 

Zionism has been responsible for countless of millions of deaths...There was no holocaust by Germany upon the jews, 90% of the jews that died in those camps were killed by typhus and starvation to which was deliberately caused by the allies.Most work camp dead died in allied hands.No jew was ever gassed by any nazi, there is no such evidence existing today that proves any such thing happened.Your hollywood ww2 movies are all filled with anti german lies, you defame,lay blame and vehemently lie about the origins and happenings of ww2.Why did the jewish population rise during ww2 and not decline by 6 million?pfft...Want a real genocide what about the jewish involvement in the deaths of 4,000,000 WHite, Christian,Ukranian children...why no hollywood movies about those genocides.

Why is it that Jewish ideals like communism,zionism,marxism,bolshevism has been responsible for 95% of wars the past 100yrs or so?responsible for the deaths of over 200 million people the past 100 years.

These same ideals which push and demand WHITE GENOCIDE.