7 year old girl gets legal name change; parents claim she's a boy

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  1. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not talking about score, talking about prevailing opinion... Should be obvious...
     
  2. PeppermintTwist

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    The only prevailing opinions that count are the ones of the parents of this child and the judge who granted the name change...so there you have it.
     
  3. Tal

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    You can't beat something out of a child's mind and soul. The parents showed loved and affection by doing what was necessary to help calm their child's emotional turmoil. Shaming the child or hitting the child with a belt would have negative effects that I believe would be far more long term. At the end of the day the child's parents know their own child best, and if this is what they believe is best for their child and if the irchild is happy then that's the best thing that us outsiders can hope for for them.
     
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    Well, that it why I presumed the poster was not serious. No one could be that barbaric and boast about it on a public forum.
     
  5. a sound mind

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    omg! it (*)(*)(*)(*)ing name change! its not a sex change and u don't have to pay for it; it doesn't seem like it was the parents idea, but that the child got his wish,( i dunno why it had to be an official change tho, maybe for the school)...if the child is truly more happy now, why is that a problem for u?
    conservatives just don't acknowledge the idea that people can be born into the "wrong" body, just as well as they don't acknowledge the idea that there are some people who feel attracted to the same sex without having a "sickness"

    don't try so hard peppermint, your sound arguments are hitting walls of ignorance, its just not worth it - for your own sake
     
  6. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    I know a girl named Tyler... they shouldve gone for George.
     
  7. PeppermintTwist

    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hmm, I see your concern. This child in the article might not have a sex change at all, but if he/she does, it might not be before he/she murders someone and goes to jail. Really! WTH does this case have to do with the choice this parent made on behalf of their kid?
     
  8. Dutch

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    Be it as it may, if the seven years old girl now believe she's a boy, she'll want to become girl again just as soon as she rounds up in all the right places if you know what I mean. Boys can and will be rough and rude and will quickly splain to her who they think she is, boy or a girl. What's then, a constant complains to parents and teachers? Lotsa tears? School change every season? How will the school protect her, 'cos the protection she'll need? You Liberals just do not think of the consequences of you actions, do you?
     
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    I usually prefer to not use labels, but I'll play along....you conservatives very often take for granted that you know what is best for other people and tend to pigeonhole others. You know nothing of the personal life of this family and their child andyet you are assuming that this family has not considered this child's future, but obviously they have. Conservatives tend to be intrusive in other people's lives by passing judgement which so hypocritical and antithetical to what they preach. That being said, I took the time to post links as.to why these children feel as they do. You choose to ignore factual data and research and draw your own conclusion, which is another trait of a conservative, btw. I repeat, thankfully, this kid's parents are puttting their child's emotions and well being of his/her psyche ahead of all else.

    http://www.gires.org.uk/dysphoria.php

    Now why in the world would any parent force their child to not be true to the child's own nature as it would be far crueler than anything any outsider can possibly say and do. The younger generation is becoming way more tolerant of people that are different, so don't take for granted that this child will not be accepted for who he/she is. The parents have taken a huge step to restore this child's self-esteem, so it seems they have this.
     
  10. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Gotta luv people who make sweeping generalizations about others making sweeping generalizations.

    YOU dont know anything about this family's personal life either. For all anybody knows, her parents may be pervs obsessed with their young daughter's sexuality.

    Would you defend perv parents?
     
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    No, they did what was necessary to get the child's love, because within themselves they have none to give. In a more sane society they'd be flogged to within an inch of their lives for such despicable child abuse.
     
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    LOL....of course it isnt' illegal in California.

    If your 14 year old daughter wants counseling because she had a homosexual sex experience and she didn't like it, she can get counseling with no restrictions.

    If she wants counseling to help her understand how to say no- just like any child, she can get counseling for that too.

    But her parents can't force her into counseling to cure her from being 'gay'- or any other quack therapy.
     
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    It's incredible that a liberal can find a reason to believe it's completely natural and acceptable for a little boy to believe he's actually a little girl. It looks like one needs to completely reject any notion of common sense to be a liberal.
     
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    What's really incredible is how one can think something as complex as sexual identity can be reduced to just male/female.
     
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    Not when one stops to realize that the "complexities" of sexual identity as they manifest themselves in the human populace are mostly just perversions.
     
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    i needed that laugh

    penis=male

    it's really pretty simple
     
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    Calling something a perversion implies there is a choice involved. Please explain when and how you chose your sexual identity.

    Here's a new word for you, hermaphrodite.
     
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    Not the way you think. Alcoholism is a perversion, but if the alcoholic could choose to stop drinking he wouldn't be an alcoholic.

    Even granting the dubious premise that the term has any legitimacy, I never said perverts choose to be what they are.
     
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    Most alcoholics and their doctors would probably disagree with you.

    http://www.alcoholic.org/research/is-alcoholism-a-disease-can-it-be-cured/

    If we have no choice over either our biological sex or our sexual identity, then how can an individual be faulted when the two don't agree with social norms?
     
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    It's even more incredible that someone can actually support encouraging someone being born a little boy thinking he's actually a little girl.
     
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    The notion that a 2 year old knows its the wrong sex is just absurd. That should be the first indication something is wrong with that kids brain.
     
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    So becuase a "tom-boy" that throws a tantrum and insists she s a boy that makes it so?

    Ill play along with the "gender identity" stuff for a second. Even if she considers herself masculin and a boy, that doesnt change her physically. So to call her a boy would be factually incorrect. If she wants a boys name, boys toys, boys clothes, so what. If its a phase she will grow out of it. If its not a phase then when shes older and can actually know herself and what she likes, then let her live her life.

    But lets look at some ramifications of what has happened.

    If this child ever needs a background check for a job, she would have to list all names and alias'. Dont yiu think this would be hard to explain? Theres a reason why none of these documents have a section that says " list all the genders you have ever been." You cannot change your gender no matter hiw much you want it or mutilate yourself.

    And not subscrubing to any generalizations of politics, this whole gender transexual stuff is hypocritical. Heres why:

    People argue that your gender identity is not tied to your physical characteristics . Meaning there is no such thing as boys or girls toys, clothes, names....etc. they also say that masculine ans feminine personalities are gender driven,meaning boys are not feminine or masculine unless they choose to be and all his hunky dory.

    If all this is true, then why do people feel the need to change their parts or dress a certain way to feel more like the other gender? If gender idenity is not sex specific, then it shouldnt matter what sex you are or what sex you want to be. Nor should your sex decide your sexual orientation.

    So in conclusion, why cant this girl just be a happy girl that likes her hair short, gi joes, and cut off jeans instead of letting her lie to everyone by enforcing an innaccurate reflection of herself.
     
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    my 7 yo wanted to be called John Cena, too. There's imagination play time.... and then their are parents who would would support me legally changing his name to John Cena in order to not hurt his wittle feewings....

    I'm such a horrible parent to tell him no, you can't change your name to another name because you, like all kids, have active imaginations.
     
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    I agree that this shouldn't be an issue in the first place, but why are you saying it's her fault that society doesn't accept her the way she is?
     
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    The thing is society does accept her for way she is. She is not accepting herself. She was born a girl, with girl parts. Nothing, not even surgery will ever change that. The fact that she wants to be and considers herself a boy demonstrates she does not accept the way she is
     

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