9/11: What really happened on that day? >>MOD WARNING<<

Not from what I can find, no. Hence, why I asked for a credible source.

Do you have anything from: New York Times, Washington Post, Associated Press, Chicago Tribune, Detroit Free Press, Los Angeles Times, Reuters, The Guardian, The Times, Telegraph, BBC, Jerusalem Post, Haaretz, declassified government documents, Wikileaks e-mails, Stratfor e-mails... anything of that caliber to validate your claims?

 

Oh this is fun

http://herzliyaconference.org/Eng/

These are unrelated, but if you mainstream Viacom, Disney stuff here you go:

1) http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/industry/12/20/wtc.harddrives.idg/
2) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41004,00.html
3) http://press.convar.com/pdf/de/Presse_echo_17_12_2002.pdf
4) http://www.convar.de/multimedia.htm?po=3&language=1#WTC

5) http://www.ict.org.il/Articles/tabid/66/Articlsid/70/currentpage/24/Default.aspx
6) [Insider Trading 9-20-2001, ABC] http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92458&page=4
7) http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/19/eveningnews/main311834.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/bond-o05.shtml
9) http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

10) http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_1_death_profits_pt1.html

11) http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html
12) http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/15/business/chief-steps-down-at-alex-brown.html
13) http://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/01/business/a-midlife-crisis-at-kroll-associates.html
14) http://www.nytimes.com/1998/07/31/business/aig-will-put-1.35-billion-into-blackstone.html

15) http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/tenants1.html

16) http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/wallstreetjournal100201.html

17) http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message609445/pg1

1 http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2000/12/11/11587.htm

19) http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/05/30/911-whistleblower-andrew-grove-comes-forward/

20) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34910,00.html

21) http://articles.sfgate.com/2001-09-18/news/17618308_1_ual-terrorist-plot-amr/2

22) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/10/19/BU142745.DTL

23) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/29/MN186128.DTL
24) http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=deutsche_bank
25) http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=convar__gmbh_1

26) http://www.blonnet.com/2002/02/11/stories/2002021100100900.htm

27) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mystery-of-terror-insider-dealers-631325.html

 

That link takes me to their main site. I searched their site and Google for the supposed article, but it was no where to be found. Do you have a link?

 

I give you the name of the article as sourced by the Asia times, and you want the link?

Ummmm, no.

 

Why wouldn't I want to see the originally sourced material?

What is this? Am I supposed to come away from this thinking that you don't have the source yourself? That you're drawing conclusions based solely off an online newspaper that is from an Asian perspective (Thai-Chinese written)?

 

So let me get this right. Its not enough that this comes from the Asia Times which is a respected publication in Asia, no matter how much mud you sling at the owner of the paper which has nothing to do with the author of the article.


This article then sources this info to a publication done by the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism.

Who exactly is supposed to be the crazy tin-foiler here again?

Get LeftySeargent and you together, and maybe you can convince everyone that the Asia Times, the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism, and the KKK are working together for the RohoWa, or whatever it is that he is constantly going on about.

 

Key phrase there, bub: "repsected publication in Asia." I don't live in Asia and I don't take the Asia Times Online as being credible. HENCE, why I am asking you for the ORIGINALLY SOURCED MATERIAL.

Can you provide that, yes or no?

If you can't, then we have nothing further to discuss about this airline put options stuff.

 

I think I proved in my previous post that the Asia Times uses bull(*)(*)(*)(*) sources. All those articles and stuff you link too are from days or a month after the attacks. It has been proven to you time and again that the put options were nothing. They lost money, if it was a move by TPTB than it would be one of the dumbest moves ever in the history of the stock market.

Do you understand? There was no profit from the "stock trading", and I agree with Jango. Asia isn't America, and the paper isn't reputable. Your own incredulity aside. I like how truthers always have to have disclaimers. "Well put the owner aside, his views don't affect it." That's BS and you know it.

 

So you think that people in the American government recruited 4 Islamic Terrorist to come to America and murder thousands of innocent Americans of every race and religion.---My advice to you is===Snap Out of It.. Do you realize that these Islamic Terrorist murder innocent people everyday all over the world?--I guess GW Bush- did it.

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So you think that people in the American government recruited 4 Islamic Terrorist to come to America and murder thousands of innocent Americans of every race and religion.---My advice to you is===Snap Out of It.. Do you realize that these Islamic Terrorist murder innocent people everyday all over the world?--I guess GW Bush- did it.

 

What the Truthie cowards don't want us to do is seriously fight Islam. Polybius, the ancient historian of the Roman Republic told of an incident that reveals what happens when a country has real men in it instead of Chickenhawks, Greedheads, and gutless Mamas' Boys. Pirates from the empire of Albania were continually attacking Roman shipping. The Romans sent a delegation across the Adriatic Sea to protest to the Albanian queen. She claimed that the pirates were private Albanian citizens and that their behavior could not be blamed on her government.

The Romans stated that whatever any citizen of Rome did reflected on the whole Republic. The queen just laughed at what she thought was a silly sense of patriotic duty imposed on all Romans. The Romans didn't answer this insult with words. They sailed back to Rome and reported to the Senate.

The Senate ordered the SPQR military to burn down every city in the Albanian Empire except the queen's. That was the end of the Albanians' attempt at becoming significant. They have been a tiny and backward rathole in the 2,200 years since. Rome had an unconquered city for 1200 years and an Empire for 700 years. How long do you expect a country like modern America to last?

 

Years ago, I would have gladly said forever. Nowadays, when I look forward, my mind's eye is clouded by far too many things to make a judgment in that regard, for the world we live in is infinitely complex, and is ever changing.

 

Enough unsubstantiated, insult ridden statements. Whenever I see someone insult sources instead of simply explaining why they are mistaken, my estimation of the person's credibility goes down. You've certainly made a lot of assertions, but it's easy to make assertions. What's hard is to provide evidence that they are true. I'll give you the chance to do so.

Prove:
1- That the sources aren't credible.
2- That the most innacurate information is reported within a month from an event happening.
3- That all the articles referenced in the Asian Times are innacurate.

If you can't do any of these, your credibility will take another notch downwards.

There is nothing wrong with truther sites, so long as the sources they site are credible. You're talking to a truther, so if you think we're all not credible and worthy of your attention, go bug someone else.

You seem to love piling one unsubstantiated assertion on top of another. Did you even read the original article, or did you decide that it was enough to simply look at that quote? Here's the original article the Asian Times was referring to from the Miami Herald, for anyone who's interested:
`Insider trading' by terrorists is suspected in Europe | Miami Herald

Quoting the first 3 paragraphs from the article:
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BRUSSELS -- The president of Germany's central bank said Saturday there was mounting evidence that people connected to the attacks in New York and Washington sought to profit from the tragedy by engaging in ``terrorism insider trading'' on European stock and commodity markets.

Bundesbank chief Ernst Welteke said a preliminary review by German regulators and bank researchers showed there were highly suspicious sales of shares in airlines and insurance companies, along with major trades in gold and oil markets, before Sept. 11 that suggest they were conducted with advance knowledge of the attacks.

Welteke said his researchers came across what he considers almost irrefutable proof of insider trading as recently as Thursday, but he refused to release any detailed information pending further consultation with regulators in Europe and the United States.
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I could probably go through the rest of your post in much the same way, and perhaps I will at some point, but this is a good start.

 

in case you havent noticed,he always gets frustrated all the time sense he always loses and denys both even when its so obvious.he'll make a video that doesnt even address anything the facts in a video you present him.his posts get to be a joke after a while.

 

Well, he seems to have stopped responding here; perhaps he didn't want to admit that he couldn't prove any of his assertions. I guess you could say that his posts are a joke, but the thing is, I don't mind a guy who's just joking around; what unnerves me is his vitriol.

 

That's the problem. Most of the sources you cite are themselves citing whackjobs or criminals of one sort or another. A relatively new publication owned by an anti-democratic thug who helped overturn the results of a popular election is worth about as much as the newspaper I just used to wrap fish entrails.

It could very well have beewn ObL, which would, of xourse be the most heinous inside trading ever done. He was a Muslim, so he couldn't put his money in interest-bearing instruments, so why not do a few inside trades to further bleed his enemy?

 

Since you've returned to this thread, I shall ask again:

So it is your contention that NORAD didn't change their story?

 

How could serious debate ever occur with continuous editing anyway? I rest my case. (something tells me the boss is angry again).

 

You hear that Shangrila? Clearly you're bent on silencing the Truth rather than just moderating a minor flare-up.

 

After a week? C'mon NA...even you should question that stuff.

 

No I don't, because I was a moderator on a really busy forum years ago (and currently one on another forum), so I understand the task at hand. The vast amount of nonsense that backs up in the report cue...

This particular forum is very highly trafficked, so I suspect the mods have to spend an inordinate amount of time to keep up with the amount of threads. This isn't the NSA at work Fraud (like you'd love to think), this is being done by people who were originally normal members that were invited to become Mods by the Admins. For free, I might add.

So get off their backs if it takes them some time to get to the reports. There is no grand conspiracy behind the lag time, just people with lives.

 

My apologies NA.....thanks for straightening me out. Food for thought though...when the editing is selective AND retroactive, it appears to be, well, a bit much. Just my opinion though.

 

They are basically having to do something similar to when someone breaks some apple juice on aisle 3 at the grocery store, clean up time. If you notice, the edited posts in questions covered the gambit of posters in this forum, and weren't targeting one person. Basically, the back and forth flaming was deleted. Substantive posts that are on topic are left alone. That's how moderation is supposed to work.

 

Sometimes when you're selectively editing, it's required to make it look uniform. Hence, the tactic in my opinion NA

 

sigh

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I would say that there would be a case for alarm if either side were indiscriminately targeted by the moderators/admins. But that does not appear to happen. What does appear to happen is when posters break the rules, their posts will be erased or even edited.