A question for the pro abortion people

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  1. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pro abortion people say the aborted baby is not human. So--------------if it is not human, why does Planned Parenthood harvest body parts and sell them???

    Convince me the baby aborted is not human.
     
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    Don't think I've ever met a "pro-abortion" person.
     
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    Question for the pro life crowd. Why do you stop being pro life once the baby is born?
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  5. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well you are either pro abortion or against it. There is no half way fence straddling position. The baby is either born alive or killed by an abortion doctor.
     
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    I've never had an abortion, participated in an abortion, or advised someone to get an abortion. So only morons would call me "pro abortion". I acknowledge the medical necessity of abortions.
     
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    Pro choice is NOT advocating for abortion. For most people we would rather the FIRST choice be LARC. Long acting reliable Contraception- you know the ONE thing that has reduced the abortion rate?
    Add to that AFFORDABLE LARC. Put that in place and the abortion rate will drop

    What I am for is LEGAL abortion because the alternative is worse. Much much much worse
     
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    Classic example of binary thinking.
     
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    Or it's one of the 50% of fertilized eggs that never makes it past the first month because of miscarriage. Or it dies later in gestation from complications. Or it's still-born. But since that only accounts for over 60% of likely outcomes, let's ignore those so you can pretend your posts make sense.
     
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    AFAIK, most if not all pro-life people oppose infanticide after a child is born.
     
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    You're obviously including eggs that failed to implant in these stats, which means the woman was technically never pregnant. By the time a fetal heartbeat is detected, the natural miscarriage rate is around 4% and steadily drops after that as the pregnancy progresses.
     
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    I'm not pro or anti abortion but I don't want it subsidized.
     
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    No.

    You can absolutely loathe the notion of someone wanting to get an abortion...and still champion the right of a person to obtain one.

    The anti-choice people simply don't get that.

    They want to call the fetus a baby...and call an abortion a murder.

    That is why many of us say a woman should have the right to abort a pregnancy occurring in her own body at any time she wants.
     
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    Only those who have a serious lack of Subject Matter Knowledge on this topic believe something this asinine.
     
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    It seems those who are anti-choice live in a black and white world where critical thinking doesn’t exist.
     
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    You are saying that. Please provide a link to your source so we know who is telling you that.

    A microscopic, mindless amalgam of cells in a human womb is "human" just as a human's fingernail or a human's hair follicle is human.
     
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    We don't 2/3 of Crisis pregnancy centers and most affordable adoption agencies are run by the churches.
     
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    If you would vote in favor of abortion on demand then you are pro abortion whatever your pretenses to the contrary. The worst lies we tell are those we tell ourselves.
     
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    Yes it is. It is true because the baby is either dead or alive.
     
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    These allegations of Planned Parenthood selling body parts was investigated by the state of Texas, and they found that no such transactions occurred. Similar investigations were conducted by authorities in Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, and Washington. Likewise, they found no such incidents of said transactions

    It is true that Planned Parenthood donates fetal tissue to medical research labs, however every investigation looking into the organization harvesting and/or selling organs have shown no such incidents occurred. Aside from the inaccuracy of the question you've presented, I fail to see how such a transaction would represent a rational inconsistency on whether or not the aborted fetus is equal to a human life or not.

    It is also true that fetal tissue has been used to treat human illnesses, however the same is true for animals and plants. In fact, medical scientists are looking into ways of using GMOs in animals and plants to make their tissue more compatible for treating human illnesses. If the use of tissue for medical treatment is how we determine what is and is not a human life, then why not consider every animal or plant used for medical purposes as being equal to a human life?
     
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    There may be politicians in China who intervene in such personal matters as the state seizes control of the womb to limit family size.

    In advanced democracies, the individual herself makes decisions for herself until a fetus reaches viability in the gestative process.

    There are some politicians in the US eager to dictate to women from the instant of conception in all circumstances, but most find that radical statism repulsive, and support the woman (or girl) having the freedom to control her own body in consultation with her medical and spiritual advisers, trusted friends and family.

    As loathsome as it is, some government-control fanatics are actually attempting to force 12-year-old rape victims to endure 9 months of pregnancy in the US.
     
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    There is a halfway. There is a middle ground.
    It should be like this.
    Only restrict abortions for last term of pregnancy IF the baby is healthy and no risk to the mom.
    The end
    Its cruel no matter when you do it but we are over populated so something has got to give.
    These idiots could also use this awrsome invention called a condom. They even make super thin ones these days.
     
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    This is a straw man argument.

    You put words on the mouths of imaginary other people, and then proceeded to debate your own made up construct.
     
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    Fake accusation. If you respect an individual's choice of ordering the scampi for herself, that does not make you "pro-scampi."

    You are free to not order it for yourself, and even free to advise others to go with the the fried chicken, but you cannot force your tastes upon everyone else at the table. E.g.,

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    "I said NOBODY can have scampi!"
     
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    If a viable person develops during gestation, that is when society has a duty to protect it, not before.
     
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