A question for those who believe in faith healing

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  1. apoState

    apoState New Member

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    Why does God hate amputees? I have heard so many stories over the years on TV and from some people in person regarding people being healed by prayer. It is a favorite staple of TV evangelists.

    Some of the afflictions I have heard stories of being healed are:

    Arthritis
    Glaucoma
    Cancer
    Cataracts
    Chronic pain
    HIV
    Paralysis
    Heart disease
    And many more

    Now, granted, these are all things that could have been misdiagnosed to begin with. And some are afflictions in which people do sometimes go into remission. But let's assume for the moment that it was God answering prayers.

    Why does God hate amputees? Why don't you see preachers calling amputees up on stage to lay their hands on? You always hear about "prayer circles" praying for someone's cancer to be cured. That has happened in my own family. But if someone loses a limb you never hear about prayer circles calling for God to regenerate the lost appendage.

    Why?
     
  2. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Maybe that's because we have the power to make artificial limbs?

    Imagine if we could grow new brains!
     
  3. apoState

    apoState New Member

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    That might be his excuse in the modern day first world countries with universal health care or in which the amputee has good insurance. But that is a fairly small portion of people who have lost limbs over the centuries.

    :)
     
  4. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Well since some people are now smart enough to create artificial limbs for those in need why is it that so many as just as dumb now as cave men were who believed in assorted gods? It seems that the majority of people are just wasting oxygen.
     
  5. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

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    Believers will credit God with curing their sniffles.....but apparently re-growing a leg is just too much of a bother for Him.
     
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    taikoo Banned

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    It is simple. If God made himself known with obvious miracles, then of what use is "faith"?
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    Are there any people around who actually believe in faith healing?
     
  8. LogicallyYours

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    Same with these people who believe the Long Island Medium really speaks to the dead? When was the last time you heard the woman say, " Yes, I spoke to your father...and he still thinks you're a complete lazy (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)!"

    Why is it, every dead person is so nice and forgiving?
     
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    Isn't a "miraculous healing of terminal cancer"....rather "obvious"?
     
  10. taikoo

    taikoo Banned

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    Yes and no. There are I think examples of spontaneous remission.

    A leg growing back tho, fully documented, that would be a sensation of the first order.

    Correlating it with godliness and prayer would be a clincher.
     
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    thebrucebeat Banned

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    Not really.
    We still can't cure the disease, so there is much about it we simply don't understand. What people choose to attribute to "miracles" may be the disease behaving in a way that is perfectly reasonable that we lack the understanding to identify.
     
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    So God only performs "miracles"...that are within the realm of the possible...a contradiction of the word "miracle"???
     
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    I was being interrogative.

    You're right. Actually the claims of "God cured ___ of terminal cancer" are false, being based on subjectivity and exclusion of probabilities. Quick version-

    20 people with "terminal cancer". There is a low 5% remission rate. Ergo, 19 die...one survives. Now, if that one that survived was "prayed for" or held a religious view, they get to go out and loudly proclaim "God cured my terminal cancer"....despite the fact it was mere probability.

    The other 19?...well.....they don't get to appear on the 700 Club, do they??? :)
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many children have died because the parents prayed for a cure....and decided to forgo medical treatment?

    Hope they said "Thank God" at the funeral.
     
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    thebrucebeat Banned

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    I'm with you on this.
     
  16. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're asking a lot. If your faith grew with the miracles you've seen why do you need more? Everybody has their Cross to bear and this is the Cross God has given some people but not to others. Is that Cross worse than losing a child? I don't think so, except maybe for their loved ones who can't bear to see them suffer. :pray:
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And how many children would have died if God wasn't asked to intervene? I am Greek Orthodox, and my greatest doctor is Saint Nektarios. He is one of God's known miracle workers, and I have a constant supply of his holy oil. Can any of the cures I've experienced be documented, no because they were minor ones, but the sheer amount of cures does exceed all mathematical probabilities. :pray:
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Healings from God can come in different ways. It doesn't have to be an instant miracle, unless God's intent is to edify others. For instance God can enlighten a person to eat foods that combat cancer. There is the story of the Greek who was told he had only a few months to live, so he decided to go back to his island since funerals were cheaper. Years later he came back to tell his doctors he was still alive, and they were all dead. Obviously he had a healthier diet.
     
  19. LogicallyYours

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    I'm sorry but, that a hollow claim. So-called "holy-oil" is complete BULSH.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And, you are free to do as you will...my opinion does not effect you. I am equally free, do not try to effect this....otherwise you will see some level of reaction.

    This reaction is usually what Christians refer to as an attack.
     
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    So the laying on of hands is bunk, and prayer is bunk, because what they are laying hands on or praying about were simply the crosses to bear of the recipients?
    Am I getting this right?
    Why is he asking alot? Is the regeneration of a limb somehow more difficult for an omnipotent god than curing cancer? Why is it harder?
     
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    If these minor ailments had not been oiled away, do you think you would still be afflicted with them? Would they have become terminal without the miracle elixir?
     
  23. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since you mentioned the 700 Club, how about this one. Whenever I would experience difficulties, I would turn to Pat Robertson and the 700 Club for comfort. At one time I was praying for my daughter and it seemed that day he was talking directly to me. Immediately afterwards my daughter calls and asked: "Were you praying for me." When I told her yes, she said she was in a state of severe depression and it suddenly lifted. Coincidence? I don't think so!
     
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    So, let me get this straight... a mother was praying for her daughter one morning...and her daughter called and asked if she was praying for her? My mother prays for me every morning and night. If I call her right now and ask her, she will say yes. So what?
     
  25. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think so, because if God intended for the minor ailments to be terminal, the oil wouldn't be there...or I wouldn't be enlightened to use it, etc. Anyway this is my experience and they have been many. .. On the other hand, I did remove my gall bladder recently and it was cancer. I avoid doctors like the plague, and it was almost miraculous that my doctor sent me for tests, because the chances of catching it in time is one out of five. My daughter asked some monasteries to pray for me, and I guess it helped, because I walked in and out of the hospital with only a minimal amount of pain the next day.

    The specialist wanted me to continue treatments for cancer, but the only kind of treatment I want is fresh vegetable drinks, olive oil, organic fruits and vegetables, cheeses made from grass fed cows and goats, etc., etc. Recently my cousin died from lung cancer and he was quite young. More than likely the chemotherapy did him in. Pat Robertson, who is quite a health freak, said recently that it makes a person so sick they lose their will to live. He said it would be better if they stopped all glucose, since healthy cells can survive without it, but not the cancer cells. Also I read that a nutrient which is most prevalent in celery, parsley and chamomile is being studied and developed by the drug companies, since it has been found to fight lung cancer.
     

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