A very simple and easy to understand explanation of why climate change is REAL.

Look over the NASA live site where you see vast expanses of clouds. Those truly impact climate,. CO2 simply is in such microscopic amounts to matter. Another problem with Carbon Dioxide it is a very heavy gas and sinks to earth. A lot is absorbed by plants and the oceans.

Summary. CO2 is minuscule in amounts
Clouds should be your explanation of climate changes.

 

You're just wrong, clouds are not water vapor but the condensation of it after and this reflects solar radiation preventing more warming now.

CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by more than a third since the industrial revolution and this is the primary cause of the global temperature increase.

 

My point is not to insult but to emphasize how basic your lack of knowledge is about that which you staunchly oppose. Maybe, -just maybe, -if you were to learn something more about the subject from BOTH sides and considered the credibility, you might not make such fundamental errors and see that you opposed what you didn't understand.

 

You amuse me alleging i do not understand.

Demonstrate your knowledge to us all.

 

WOW, did I say clouds are water vapor? Actually you can't explain climate and leave out clouds. That I do say. Clouds more than prevent solar radiation, they also act as a thermos over earth to retain heat.

CO2 is in such minuscule amounts and so hard to track it simply does not count for much of the warming. You wish CO2 was the primary factor. Do you understand if it is the factor, man controls climate. But pressed to admit it, most if not all of you deny that.

 

Have scientists measured the amount of CO2 concentrations that resulted in disastrous warming 200,000 years ago? Do you know?

How do water droplets, which are far, far heavier per unit volume, manage to remain suspended in air in the form of clouds? Do you know what a "sol" is?

Clouds become more pervasive DUE TO GLOBAL WARMING. Global warming causes water to evaporate faster producing desertification. It then forms more clouds and more rain in regions where conditions for rain exist, like in mountainous areas, creating flash floods. CLOUDS DON'T CAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE. CLIMATE CHANGE CAUSES MORE CLOUDS.

 

I just did while exposing your lack of knowledge right above.

 

Clouds also reflect solar emissions to earth and act to stabilize temperatures on Earth. Take Death Valley or the Sahara desert and show that the heat is creating more clouds.

 

In your head lives that suspicion.

 

Have scientists measured the amount of CO2 concentrations that resulted in disastrous warming 200,000 years ago? Do you know? YES or NO?


How do water droplets, which are far, far heavier per unit volume, manage to remain suspended in air in the form of clouds? Do you know what a "sol" is?
ANSWERS PLEASE.

 

I was scratching my head at that one too.

I remembered learning about the Ice Age so clearly the globe warms up and even cools down.

But yet I'm told I'm a denier of the thing I I just mentioned I accept.

I don't knew how that works either. Unless the word denier is like heretic

 

The water droplets that make up clouds are too small to have a significant fall velocity.

 

You say clouds cool the earth, implying that we need not worry. Yet the average global temperature is rising. Just 4 degrees has been shown historically to be disastrous. We are now about 2.5 degrees warmer than we have been for many hundreds or thousands of years. So your claim of clouds cooling the earth is inconsequential.

Scientists, based on historical data, have warned about the effects of 400 ppm of CO2. We reached 400 ppm a few months ago, which means we will not have an increasingly hard time stabilizing global warming, let alone reversing it.

CO2 combines with H2O in the atmosphere to form H2CO3 - carbonic acid, -which then rains down as acid rain. It kills forests and 'bleaches' corral (kills it). And now we will have an increasingly hard time stabilizing global warming because of people resisting science and pretending all this is nonsense or a conspiracy theory. IOW people like you are to blame for this situation.

 

Well, I think we now know the answer to whether @Robert knows and understands this stuff.... -he doesn't.

 

If it isn't true, why haven't you answered my questions in #560?

 

You are fond of saying, then saying then saying. Trouble is that saying does not mean it is true.

Clouds are easy to prove the both cool earth and then contain the heat. Take any of the deserts, they are very hot during daylight hours then at night are extremely cold. Add in clouds and the nights are warmer.

You say the small added temperature is disastrous. Why don't we notice this disaster? We were told during the 90s that by this time, we would have a catastrophe on our hands. When was that going to happen?

You are mixing man tainted rain with climate.

 

As to #1. What scientists do you speak of? As difficult as it is to scientifically measure CO2 right now, this moment, it hits me as remarkable if they a far better job of this for periods going back 200,000 years. Explain how they gain in accuracy going way back?

As to #2. If you are denying there are clouds, that is a very hard sell. Why do clouds rise and what holds them up? Let science explain it. Because they are so small they are easily kept up by the rising air. So the reason that clouds can hold water droplets is because the air in clouds is rising, and the rising air keeps pushing the water droplets up. Basically, it's the same with snow, but a cloud holding snow or ice crystals must be colder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_(colloid)
A sol is a colloidal solution suspension of very small solid particles in a continuous liquid medium. Sols are quite stable and show the Tyndall effect. Examples include blood, pigmented ink, cell fluids and paint.

 

Those were not climate issues. However I have since played your game so see #569

 

But you don't understand that the fact of increasing average global temperatures correlating with increasing levels of CO2 prove that the cooling effect of clouds is inadequate. Otherwise the temperature would be falling, but it isn't.

And you are ignoring scientific data that shows CO2 correlates with increasing temperatures.

Scientists tried to warn us of the danger by predicting the outcomes. Asserting that the absence of catastrophe by now means failed science is like asserting that a particular sailboat failed the race because given prevailing winds and sea conditions they predicted that they would win the race in 10 hours, but it turned out to be 11 hours. That boat still won, but you are declaring they failed the race entirely because they didn't do in in the 10 hours they believed it would take. Your argument is bogus!

 

HA! See? I knew you didn't know how they did it. GO. FIND. OUT.

Having trouble tracking? You said CO2 is heavy and falls to earth. I asked why it is, then, that water droplets that are much, much heavier, remain suspended in the air. Try again.

And yet you assert that CO2 is heavy enough to fall to earth. You must have gotten that from some of your snake oil salesmen.

Clouds stay suspended because they are SOLS!

FYI, clouds ARE water droplets. And you previously said clouds cool the air. Cool air is heavier than warm air, so why is your "cool air" in and beneath clouds RISING????? (contradiction!)

So you didn't know. You had to look it up and copy-and-paste it. And what you pasted is actually incorrect. SMOKE is a sol and it is not "in a continuous liquid medium". But still, nice copy job.

So I've proven you really don't know all you pretend to know about this. You can stop the pretending now.

 

You should help meteorologists and NASA scientists to understand clouds!

 

Frankly there are satellites and many scientists working on that today.

 

You proved one more time your true intent is to taunt and insult. Then you had the gall to deny this.

 

There is ignorance, there is flaming ignorance and then there is this post
Which I thought was pretty penultimate until I hit this one

This is an absolute example of "a little knowledge is dangerous" which most think means you should not educate yourself but in fact means that those who do not understand the full picture are doomed to make a complete and utter........ well

Let us start with the bit of ***** about scientists being unable to measure co2 because Even Curry does not dispute the CO2 measurements

 

No we are trying to teach

Please listen