Abortion. Holocaust or Healthcare?

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  1. Mrlittlelawyer

    Mrlittlelawyer Member

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    There are a few reasons why a mother has an abortion. The first is pretty simple :date: they have sex then she gets pregnant and doesn't want to deal with the child who will be born. So with the excuse that she can control her body she gets an abortion of pregnancy. The second is girl or woman gets raped then gets pregnant so she not wanting to deal with the financial trouble or the emotional trauma gets an abortion of pregnancy.Then there is the place which could/couldn't involve any one of these and that is that the mothers life is in danger. I shall now to the best of my ability try as a person who believes in the right to life also pertains to the small human being sometimes referred to as a fetus.

    1. That is sheer murder in my mind. Sex out of marriage in general is corrupt and wrong and can cause a lot more than just pregnancy. All abortions stop a beating heart. That is one of the major sign of life and cannot be denied. I once heard the argument that cows also have beating hearts but does this look like a cow? http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/07week/01_07.jpgIU I recognized tiny human right away. Now I also know that is at 7 weeks but that is when most abortions occur.

    2. Well in this case I say execute the rapist not the child no matter how bad it is for the mother sometimes young girl. :gun: the rapist for his crime not the child. He/she is innocent and committed no crime by existing. The amorphous blob argument is wrong, This is the account of a former abortionist while in training. He recalled going to a clinic "to learn about abortion. After all, abortion was just applying the technique of a D&C to a woman who was in a little different stage - she was pregnant." And so the young resident did as he was told: He watched the material come down the plastic tube and emptied the reddish contents of the little bag onto a blue towel - to make sure the doctor had gotten it all:

    "I opened the sock up and I put it on the towel and there were parts in there of a person. I'd taken anatomy; I was a medical student. I knew what I was looking at. There was a little scapula [shoulder blade] and there was an arm, and I saw some ribs and a chest, and I saw a little tiny head, and I saw a piece of a leg, and I saw a tiny hand. ... I checked it out and there were two arms and two legs and one head, etc., and I turned and said, I guess you got it all ... It was pretty awful that first time... it was like somebody put a hot poker into me."

    Very much a blob huh?
    3. In this case all I have to say is that they would have to be VERY sure the mother was going to die and I mean VERY sure before committing an abortion. This does not count suicide of the mother.

    Now I believe this person commonly referred to as a fetus is alive and so do the murderers.

    "We know that it is killing, but the states permit killing under certain circumstances." Dr. Neville Sender, founder of Metropolitan Medical Service, an abortion clinic in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

    A woman may control her body but not the bodies of others including the one who is relying on her.
     
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    So, if I am hearing you correctly, mr.littlesomething, you are suggesting that a woman who is impregnated by way of rape should be forced to carry the child to full term?

    'nuff said.



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    In your face!
     
  3. Mrlittlelawyer

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    She has no right to kill so she would not be allowed to have an abortion. So yep I accept the pie I would stand by these ideals about the right to life even if you were giving me a bullet in the face. We are forced not to murder by the government this is the same thing. The child inside should not be punished by the rapist's crime its not the child's fault he/she exists.
     
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    Thank goodness you cannot make the laws. No one has the right to expect a victim of rape to carry a baby against her will. It's sickening.
     
  5. Mrlittlelawyer

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    SICKENING! Oh please...Gruesome murder is better:puke:? The baby committed no crime and cannot be condemned for any reason. If the mother was in any place where she could get raped then that was her fault with no pepper spray or gun. Parents need to watch their kids. And if she happened to be raped by a family member well same story abortion is wrong its murder and the people who do it admit it so whats to argue about?
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4TzXkRdKvo&feature=related"]A Cuckoo Clock - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    HAHAHAhah- Why are you doing that to yourself? I mean really? ad hominem never works. I just said what the founding fathers of our nation said to Britain! You know you'll have to kill us to take our rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I simply said I respect the right to life. Look up an aborted fetus at 7 weeks when most abortions take place looks like and you will see why I am against this. Its sickening gruesome murdering! Oh I see now! NEVADA that as to be it! JK
     
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    You don't respect women's lives or liberty. So if your sensibilities are too too delicate to see the results of abortion, don't look. You certainly will never have to see your own abortion.
     
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    Wow. That is just absolutely disgusting. I have never seen such horrible victim blaming in my life. You really are a very disturbed individual if you believe it is the woman's fault for being raped or unable to defend herself from her attacker.

    Yes, obviously all women are whores and it is their own fault if they are sexually assaulted. :roll:

    I was right, you really need to head off to Saudi Arabia where women are forced to cover themselves and it's THEIR FAULT if they are raped and then they are blamed and executed for it.

    Sick, sick, sick.
     
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    Maybe you should look up what murder is before making silly assertions. That you may THINK it is murder, I can accept but stating it as fact is just uninformed.
    The rest of your post is just more emotional drivel, the same you denied before.
     
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    I suppose the ignorance and hypocrisy of that did not even dawn on you. It is really amusing.

    Unfortunately you respect something that does not exist.

    Ignorance, there is no possible other explanation.
     
  12. Mrlittlelawyer

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    Yep victim blamin-wait a second. I said simply that the baby did nothing and women need to be more careful with their bodies so they can avoid situations like this. Its the rapist fault exactly why I said we :gun: him. The mother committed no crime but must bear the consequences of that crime. You can't say one deserves to die because one had a crime committed against them.
    OKGranny time for me to say this. According to the declaration and Constitution we have certain unalienable rights. These rights are endowed upon us by someone-our Creator yep capital C. In his law there is no right to murder for women. According to his law the rapist would die and the mother would get lots of money (not from government) which the rapist might of had. She could then put the child up for adoption or care for the child. instead of just killing it and possibly having to lose more money. pornography which definitely gives rapists a lot of incentive would be abolished. Pasithea and Okgranny this is not a question of the rights of the woman in any way. It is about the right to life which the child has. I have one other thing to say to Pasithea. I already told you what i thought of Saudi Arabia and their disrespect of women's rights. I just can't believe an emotional child story could make someone as stubborn as you. It would be neat to see what happened if you were to meet someone who had survived an abortion since at the last moment the mother had decided not to get one.
     
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    uh ever i think you are refering to the part about the pursuit of happiness right? The right to happiness does not take the right to life away. Ignorance yourself!

    Oh really? So I will kill you and you have no rights? LOL ok we know nothing of what causes life and nothing of when its actually there. We only have the signs of life such as movement a beating heart a brain. Most abortions take place after these things have formed

    Ad hominem No other possible explanation.

    I find it more amusing how much people want to kill a child and not a rapist.
     
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    1.Unlawful
    2.Killing
    3.Of a human being
    4.With malice aforethought.

    It is unlawful (at least in the U.S.) because the right to life is disrespected. It is killing because signs of life are there. He/she is is a human being. And the doctors at abortion clinics have had fore thought to do it. Yep according to that it is murder.

    I like law. :-D
     
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    Did the child in her uterus rape her? Then why kill him/her?
     
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    I see, so "if homicide is too guesome to look at look away, but you have no right to oppose it"
     
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    A raped woman committed no crime and is not obligated to "bear the consequences" of a rape. Rapists were subject to the death penalty in the past, and it was found that juries are reluctant to convict if the conviction is likely to result in the death penalty, so a lot of guilty rapists went free. A lesser punishment results in more convictions.


    According to the Bible, the rapist would pay a fine to the woman's father and the woman would be forced to marry her rapist.

    As far as pornography causing rape, it doesn't seem likely.
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/200904/does-pornography-cause-social-harm

    But the evidence clearly shows that from a social welfare perspective, porn causes no measurable harm. In fact, as porn viewing has soared, rates of syphilis, gonorrhea, teen sex, teen births, divorce, and rape have all substantially declined. If Internet porn affects society, oddly enough, it looks beneficial. Perhaps mental health professionals should encourage men to view it
     
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    Please read your own words. Murder is unlawful. Abortion is NOT unlawful. At what point in gestation the zef becomes "a human being" is questionable at best. I like JUST and FAIR law, and it is just and fair that government not interfere with the inner workings of a woman's body.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Possibly she doesn't want to be pregnant. Possibly she doesn't want to give birth. Possibly she doesn't want to bear a rapist's child. Is that so hard to get?
     
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    That's not what it says. Can't you be honest for once?
     
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    No, it just goes to show how broad and well honed your thinking is.
    I was referring to killing.

    Except when going to war eh?

    Yes oh really. Can you define it? Can you point any legislation that confirms it?

    If you kill anyone they are dead and most certainly do not have ANY rights.

    Care to try that again more coherently?

    Please educate yourself. There are numerous web sites that describe fetal development.
     
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    Too bad you are clueless about it.
     
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    The world I would like is one where a person who knows nothing of pregnancy/childbirth would not feel compelled to interfere in someone else's pregnancy/childbirth. For someone who "likes law", you have very little respect for juries.


    http://www.answering-christianity.com/que10.htm

    Let us examine how Christianity deals with the rapist: "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:28)" Although this Verse from the Bible only talks about virgins, but its the only verse in the entire Bible that talks about raping single women

    The statistics are clear: Pornography does not increase crime.
     
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    So kill the innocent person inside her? Because she doesn't want to be inconveinenced? :no:
     

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