Well we all know your first line is pure BS, even legally that has been proven false. The second line is also false. The reason for the overwhelming majority of abortion is undeniably convenience!
http://www.eileen.250x.com/Main/KreeftBeckwith/WhatIsAHumanBeing.html# USA In current United States law, at the moment of birth a biological being becomes a human being. By contrast, in declaring in 1973 that abortion is a permissible medical procedure, the U.S. Supreme Court said, "The unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense." (Hardin 1982:13 The transition to the status of full humanity is viewed not as a biological fact, but as a legal or cultural fact. There is a practical aspect pointed out by Retired Supreme Court Justice Tom Clark: the moment of birth is known, but the moment of conception is speculative. "...the law deals in reality not obscurity--the known rather than the unknown. When sperm meets egg, life may eventually form, but quite often it does not. The law does not deal in speculation." (Swomley 1983:1) "Convenience" or "inconvenience" implies a matter of trivial importance, of little consequence, of little significance, etc. Does any of that describe pregnancy/childbirth to you? If so, you shouldn't be upset at abortion, since it is a trivial, inconsequential, insignificant, unimportant matter. Make up your mind here and now, is pregnancy/childbirth significant or not?
The first line of the quoted language in your post discredits the source. It is a patently false statement. There are laws in the Unnited States that specifically recognize personhood and the status of "human being" for children in utero. I have posted links many times here. Furthermore the quote that says children in utero have never been considered human beings in the whole sense, was dated 1982. Many laws have been enacted since then that render that statement obsolete. The last line of the quote is hilarious, "personhood" thresholds are pure speculation! By the terms of that quote a born worm is a human being! A worm is a biological being is it not? The rest is all similar rubbish. SO your post gets a hearty: Bwah Bwah Bwah Bwah!
I don't think worms are born. For the umpteenth time, fetal homicide laws state that "children in utero" are to be considered "human beings" for the purpose of that law only , NOT IN THE WHOLE SENSE at all, at all.
So what? There are laws in the US that specifically DENY personhood and human being status for fetuses. http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=135873
You left out the biggy, FEAR. many young women fear what their bigoted, christian parents will say and do, they also fear their peers, and society. This fear in days when abortion was illegal, led millions to get illegal abortions, with a huge number of them resulting not only in the removal of the fetus, but in the death of the young woman. In addition, many young pregnant women over the years have committed suicide because of those fears, of parents, society and peers. Personally I am quite sure you are totally mistaken on all accounts. I prefer the abortion of 100,000,000 fetuses to the suicide, death by illegal abortion, or insanity caused by the making of abortions illegal. You on the other hand prefer to see young women die from any of the hundreds of stupid methods used for illegal abortions, of which the clothes hanger is not the worst. I feel you are a hateful and foolish person. You want to create a situation where there are more and more and more unwanted, hated, poor children to clog our jails, hospitals, and Psych wards. I trust people such as you are soon gone the way of the dinosaurs and sanity can come to rule.
Ah, since you can not refute anything, much less SCOTUS, you attack the source. good strategy, just not in intelligent debate. Now THAT is the false statement, as you well know. You eve acknowledged that fetal homicide laws have no general significance and by virtue of their inconsistency and absence in many states are irrelevant to the topic of abortion or fetal personhood. Then again, ignorance can only be fixed by those who are afflicted by it.
Apparently you have never read the laws you just can't understand plain English: Alabama: Ala. Code § 13A-6-1 (2006) defines "person," for the purpose of criminal homicide or assaults, to include an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability and specifies that nothing in the act shall make it a crime to perform or obtain an abortion that is otherwise legal.
Thanks, but sadly all it will do is get whaler to resort to some of his usual denial or evasion. Have you, has ANYONE ever seen him acknowledge anything that was contrary to his dogma?
OK then rats, are rats human beings once they are born? Your link seems to think so. There is no partial sense of being a human being. You either are or you are not!
You are misreading the link. It's true you either are or are not a human being, that's why fetal homicide laws HAVE TO SPECIFY that fetuses are human beings for the purpose of that law only.
OK, now that made no sense whatsoever. It isn't situational so that is why you have to state that it is. STUPIDITY!
Oh, dear dear Whaler, that means that fetuses are ONLY CONSIDERED human beings for the purpose of the fetal homicide law, it has no relevance whatsoever to what a fetus IS. It is kind of stupid law though, you got that right.
It is actually far more consistent with all other homicide laws, and Roe is a lone wolf irrational bystander!
I don't see anything stupid about it. It responds to an overwhelming sentiment among the general public that these behaviors should be punished as homicides. It is perfectly rational, as I am sure you would agree if it didn't threaten your precious Roe V Wade.
