Abortion is a homicide, deal with it

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  1. FoxHastings

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    ONLY if it has one at the time ….and the POINT of abortion is to stop a future heartbeat.....just like in war that righties celebrate......
     
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    If you believe in the "sanctity" of life celebrating the caging children seems like an oxymoron.....but no one really believes in the sanctity of life especially those who spout off about it all the time...
     
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    Yep. That is why it is murder and this does not change even from a Pro Choice-point of view; they would just see the killing as self-defense and thus making it a justified one. But, the fact that something is being killed does not change.
     
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    So did your lunch.

    Unless you're a vegan, it's extremely hypocritical of you to whine about beating hearts.
     
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    I do not see any contradiction in being both a Pro Lifer and a carnivore because animals are not human.
     
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    Killing something is not necessarily murder.

    IF a fetus is ever deemed a legal person with rights a pregnant woman would have every right to defend herself from injury....and kill the fetus.
     
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    I am not saying she should not be allowed to. Am I?

    I am neither Pro Choice nor Pro Life because both terms respresent a very Statist view of law, something that I, as true friend of self ownership, absolutely despise. What both sides share is the OCD-esque obsession with microplanning everyone else's life to fit their worldview which - unsurprisinglyn- causes a lot of conflict.

    For me, it is obvious that abortion is not as much of a legal issue as it is a cultural one - We live in a hypersexualised time where not only media, but even school exposes us to sex from a very young age. Women are objectified and thanks to technological advancement and degeneration of norms, men no longer need to take responsibility because having short term partners is neither costly nor risky and women who engage in short term relations are celebrated as "liberated" and "independent". The issue of abortion is not whether the fetus is a life or not, but rather why it is such a heated topic in the first place. A truly functioning society with a healthy outlook on relations, love, commitment and family would not need an abortion debate because in such society, the question would be uninteresting as the procedure would primarily be used in cases that even Pro Lifers would agree are justified.
     
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    You obviously missed my point. There are very few women that would do a late term abortion but they do exist and there should be a law that charges them with murder if they do it.
     
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    I bet you thought those Jews who sent their children to foreign countries or gave them to strangers did t love their children.
     
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    Obama did not do what Trump did so stop doing the, “but he did it too” These parents want desperately to have the children live in a safe country and have a future. It is amazing that you seen these hard-working immigrants as people who don’t provide for their children. I guess it justifies bigotry
     
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    Those jews were under the threat of extermination. You belittle their courage.
     
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    These hardworking immigrants need to obey our laws that is why you must differentiate between illegal immigants and immigrants.. A majority of these kids aren't with parents any way. You are just an open border socialist.
     
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    Baloney!

    Pro-Choicde is exactly what it says, women should have the choice over their own bodies.

    Anti-Choicers, sometimes hilariously called pro- lifers, are the party that wants to force women to their worldview.





    Only the Anti-Choicers cause conflict by trying to force their world view on everyone else.




    Good lord, read a history book, the world, humans, has always been like that....sex didn't start in the 1960's...



    Ya, someday all humans will be perfect and fit in YOUR micro-planned world view... (where women are always delighted to be pregnant, good luck with that :) )
     
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    And Republicans support it wholeheartedly...


    Republicans also fight to stop or cut funding to entities that support CHILDREN like WIC, SNAP, Welfare....they even fight CHILDREN having healthy food in schools and educational TV for CHILDREN...
     
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    Most Pro Choicers too believe that there is - and should be - restrictions in form of a time limit that regulates when abortion should be legal which means they too are in it to control other people's bodies. Most Pro Choicers are Social Democrats and/or Feminists and thus do not believe in choice when it comes to prostitution, drug use, discrimination and schooling.

    Two sides of the same coin. As far as choice goes, I am Pro Choice down to the most principled definition of the word.

    No, the conflict occurs because both parties want society to be organised in their way. This is why democracy is stupidly dysfunctional.

    No, it has not always been like "that". Culture is constantly changing and so is our society. Since when do you believe in "The Lord" anyways?

    No idea what on Earth you are talking about. I am a friend of Freedom and Liberty; 99% of my posts on here are defending those values and now you come telling me I am into micro-planning and control... Shameful. Absolutely shameful.
     
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    Nope most do not. Giving states the right to restrict abortion after viability was a sop to righties to aid in getting RvW passed.

    I have no problem with it because I know mentally stable women do not ask for an abortion after viability.



    Obviously YOU don't see the difference between having a right to your own body and doing illegal things...all of which affect other people, society.

    Those things are illegal because if they weren't it would cause chaos in society, abortion doesn't do that.





    Not if you want to ban abortion.

    Democracy may be dysfunctional but that shouldn't mean we make it more dysfunctional by taking away people's right to their own bodies.

    Organized the correct way means EVERYONE has a right to their own bodies.
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    YES, humans have always had sex in every way, wisely and unwisely and married and single and multiple.........and that has not and will not change ever.....

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    NO, not if you want to ban abortion.




    You are if you want to ban abortion.




    Yes, it IS shameful that people just can't mind there own little lives and allow others the same Freedom and Liberty they have...a real shame and quite SICK.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Huh?

    "Several former Obama administration officials took to social media and news outlets last month to explain a gallery of years-old photos that showed immigrant children sleeping in shoddy conditions at a government-run holding facility in Arizona.

    The images, which the Associated Press first published in 2014,resurfaced recently for reasons that remain unclear, and quickly prompted viral outrage on Twitter. One particularly disturbing image showed two children sleeping on mattresses on the floor inside what appeared to be a cage.

    A number of prominent liberals — and even a former Obama administration official — shared the photos, mistakenly believing they depicted the Trump administration's treatment of immigrant childrenwho were forcibly separated from their parents.
    Favreau said in a series of tweets that he made a "mistake" by not checking the date of the photos before sharing them on Twitter. He explained that the photos were taken in 2014, when the Obama administration faced "an influx of unaccompanied minors who showed up at the border, fleeing violence from Central America."






    https://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5
     
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    Did you have a point or just like the DRRRRRAAAAAAMMMAAA of what one person thinks or ALLEGEDLY said...????


    WTF difference does what Clinton say have to do with citizens right to their own bodies.??
     
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    No,You totally missed my point. I do not belittle their courage...but you seem to belittle The courage of people who come here for asylum from violence..just like the Jews did
     
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    It seems, that those on the left echange the words indoctrination with education all the time. Hillary has advocated a womens' right to late term abortion. The picture just makes it too real for you.
     
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    The Jews, with our help, made a "homeland" that is safe and free for them. These people to which you infer are not racially persecuted and most are not persecuted at all.....they just want our entitlements and in the name of open borders, you seem willing to hand them out. Why don't they just work to make their land free and safe? Instead they want to take what we have built.
     
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    I do too. My friends baby was born with its brain outside it’s skull and would’ve died a painful death. If my life was going to be lost , my husband would encourage a late term abortion. You have this ignorant fantasy that women casually decide to have an abortion for no reason...it doesn’t happen!
     
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    I do too. My friends baby was born with its brain outside it’s skull and would’ve died a painful death. If my life was going to be lost , my husband would encourage a late term abortion. You have this ignorant fantasy that women casually decide to have an abortion for no reason...it doesn’t happen!

    You’re the one who,sounds indoctrinated. Education to you is indoctrination..ya know like science and history
     
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