Abortion is great. It means unwanted children never get born and have a miserable life. Think of all the people who haven';t been murdered ,robbed or raped because the perpetrator never got born. Instead of ' Can you kill your baby" we should be saying " You can';t look after your baby. get rid of it". Since the child would cost the state a fortune we should help the sensible woman out and have all the medical bills taken care of. We need a nurse in every school so girls who get pregnant can opt to have an abortion during school hours and all kept from teh prying eyes of her stupid parents whose lack of parenting skills and refusal to give her proper sex education got her into this problem in the first place.
Seeing how most women or teenies seeking abortion come from a backgound steeped in liberal/leftist/feminist mindset if you will, I would think the most sensible thing to do would to take Ander's advice by sterilizing any and all women who fit into that category. Afterall, none of us want to see a generation that gives rise to more feminists, more weenie liberal boys, more anti life advocates and or more anti Americans.
Yeah, I wonder who else we should be aborting. Why stop with just the unborn?! Think about all those other miserable lives we could put to an end, all those other murders, robberies and rapes we could be preventing...
If the mindset is to kill potential lives that might cost the state and society---then the practical move would be to kill those who ARE costing the state and society. All criminals and citizens taking welfare should do the right thing and die quick. What a utopia society that would be. Only those deemed worthy live. Production and prosperity and total happiness for the chosen.
LOL! Hey! It's the weekly meeting of the Pouting Misogynists Weinie Men Club..... You guys are pathetic....you make your fear of women sooooo obvious....
Oh, sorry, I should've included women loaded with self-loathing... but that still doesn't change how these "men" feel....
Hating women because a person wants to protect life is non-logical scenerio. But wanting to kill children before they breath fresh air or wanting to kill them after birth most definately would qualify for the term Misopedist. According your post and your position---you qualify for a person who holds a hatred of children.
Controlling and vilifying women is hate..and it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman doing the controlling/vilifying. The rest of your post doesn't make any sense since in abortion no children are killed....although one poster, Anders, advocates killing real children who are BORN with Downs Syndrome...or of mixed race.
Sorry, but its your post that is nonsensical. To say that a baby, a child, doesn't exist until the head pokes through the vagina is an argument and excuse a Misopedist would use. A very disjointed and desperate argument.
It's nonsensical to say I said things I didn't. I never said it wasn't a child until it's head pokes through the vagina. So you lied and then ignored the rest of my post...not a very good reply. And to say that everyone who is pro-Choice, Pro-Freedom hates children is just ridiculous... AND there is NO argument...abortion is legal.
I did read you post. You said "Controlling and vilifying women is hate..and it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman doing the controlling/vilifying." I am assuming that you mean what you say. Controlling women when they are carrying a child in their bodies is hate. Or are you saying that controlling and hating women is fine after the 6 month gestation?, 7th? 8th? Is it ok to hate women when a baby looks like a baby? When its ready to come out into the world? YOU tell me----when is it ok to control and hate women? Because I'm confused by your vagueness. If you are going to call people haters of women because they deem life worthy of being protected then I think you need to be clear on your own position.
I'm sure you're confused. I believe in the law which you obviously don't. Women have a right to that law that allows them to have an abortion but once the law says it's a viable human, then no, it would be murder to get an abortion ...the law is then protecting another viable human, another person.....before that they aren't viable and the woman has the right to end her pregancy..... Those that are totally opposed to abortion hate and fear women...because legal abortion gives women power to controll their lives( and please don't do that really stupid, "Well they SHOULD'VE controlled their normal sexual urges" crap....that's what humans do.
I see. So are you saying that if a person views human life as precious before it is viable then that person hates women? And if a woman views the life within her as precious--she holds hatred? And if a husband views the life within his spouse as precious and worth protecting--he hates her? How can one change their perspective from precious human life "a child within me or her" to " tumor" so quickly based on a current law or whether that life is a benefit or liability? Can you do that? Can you become pregnant and realize you have a child in you one year and the next year become pregnent and decide its a growth thinkgy destined for removal? I'm sorry---but that seems rather sick to me. It strikes me of misodenistic regardless of what law might be in place at the time. Some people like myself---don't let laws define our own sense of right and wrong. Otherwise Jim Crow would still be law of the South.
Bolding above, mine. I see you have a hard time just addressing what people actually post... YOUR sense of right and wrong don't define laws.
I am trying to understand your illogical position. I know....it has been a struggle. This is what I gather: The definition of "child" begins at the moment of viability. Unless a woman is defining it. She has the power alone to decide if a human life prior to viability is valid enough to be considered a "child". Men who venture an opinion that differs from her viewpoint-- hate women. Women are free to view life growing within her as a child and human life if she wants. But her husband will have no opinion on it, unless the woman allows him an opinion. If he has an opinion different from the woman---he hates women. Its perfectly healthy for a woman to view the human life inside of her as a precious child for one pregnancy and a growth to be disposed of during another. The law defines a person's sense of what is right or wrong. That IS what you are saying correct?
No, it wasn't what I said and you know it...you are deliberately twisting my words or are too stupid to understand them? Which is it?
Personally I don't think its hate, more of controlling another person .. its also pretty strange that pro-life advocates only seem to be pro-life when it concerns a fetus in the womb, after its born most couldn't care less, as can be seen by the numerous comments in other threads here where they repeat time and time again that they shouldn't have their "tax dollar" going to help the very women they would force to give birth to a child that is unwanted and quite probably they can't afford. Again, personally to me the decision to abort is the womans alone, those who want to ban abortion have not yet come up with a way to enforce that ban .. at best it would only effect the poor, the ones who couldn't leave the country in order to get an abortion in a place where it is legal, they can't seem to see that all this would do is increase the burden on welfare and hence increase their tax. While I understand that economics is not the only reason for abortion, it is a factor, one that most of the pro-lifers I have ever debated with fail to see or understand. We see a lot of pro-lifers screaming about the 2nd Amendment, but few, if any, seem to be bothered about the 14th. Another argument I see a lot is the moral one, yet again pro-lifers can't seem to fathom that their morals are not a carte blanc reason to install a law, being that morals are subject to change and are more of a accident of where you are born and the culture you are raised in .. a few questions, as yet, no pro-lifer has been able to give a decent answer to are. Where do your morals come from Do you/they consider their morals better than their neighbors or better than someone from a different culture. I have never seen a pro-lifer give a better alternative to abortion .. adoption has been raised as an alternative, however this doesn't take into account that in the US alone there are around 400,000 children in care each year, from calculations I have made, if abortion were made illegal, there would be approx. 114,000 children entering the care system every year and this at a time when people wishing to adopt is falling. I have been called a hypocrite for my position on abortion which is that up until the point of viability ie when the fetus can survive outside of the womb, the decision should rest solely with the woman.
See, I call it hate because the effects are the same whether Anti-Choicers hate or not. It's like when people owned slaves...they may not have consciously hated their slaves but that didn't make any difference to the slaves. One of the worst things humans do to each other is try to control each other. If they're successful they take away someone else's freedom... one of the greatest losses....so hate consciously or not, the results are the same.
If I am pro-life because I want to control women.....you are pro-abortion because you want to kill fetuses. OR could it be---that I value the life of a fetus as the same value of a baby---because that is how I see this human life. Worthy of protection. You value the women's right to not have to deal with this human life.
No, you don't, not really, because they are not the same. If there were a fire, and you could choose to save either a tray of 30 embryos, or a 6 month old baby, but not both, which would you save? You would save the baby, because the born baby has more value than any number of embryos.
Cady....if I had to choose to rescue either my six month old baby or my three year old---I would most likely choose the three year old. Does that mean I can kill my baby when I please?
No, you can't kill born children. That has nothing to do with the question. Will you admit you would save a born child instead of a tray of 30 embryos? You know you would, because embryos are NOT THE SAME as born children.
