My position is for abortion, anyone remember the 90s, how the murder rate was over 2000 a year, then over a 20 year period, it dropped to an all time low of less than 400. People said new jobs and a growing economy was responsible, but it wasnt. In the 1990s, abortion was illegal. At that time there was a woman in Texas (you can look it up), who was unskilled, uneducated, and after putting 2 children up for adoption again, she found herself pregnant again. This time she wanted an abortion, so she started a case, which eventually led to supreme court, there she won and abortion was legalized. The murder rate dropped by 1700 not because better jobs, because the children who would be commiting them (put up for adoption at birth) were not being born. By that logic if we make abortion illegal now, in 15 or so years, the murder rate will spike, because the if someone cant have an abortion, there will put the child up for adoption, it will grow up in a harshh enviornment, and may eventually lead to murder or gang activity. Some may argure that abortion in itself is murder, but there is now you can prove or disprove that. For religous reasons, I think abortion is wrong, but I believe it will provide an alternitive for a much worse future.
Oh! I just Loooooove this one!! Define for me the moment when it is OK for the woman to have the abortion? Is it when she is given the diagnosis of say, pulmonary hypertension? Do we wait until she is in ICU and near death? At what point along the health continuum is it OK?
IN YOUR OPINION…is a child's life worth less if his mother had been raped than a child whose mother was not raped?
I think if the woman is receiving proper pre-natal care and not practicing risky behaviors this would be rare, possibly the result of an accident. Rising heart rates, rising blood pressure or other symptoms, usually accompanied by a pre-existing condition such as diabetes would be sufficient cause for a doctor to make that diagnosis, and I would never support charging a doctor with a crime for making the decision prematurely. Even mental situations such as anxiety or suicidal ideation might be considered. I would like to see the option of a civil suit if they believe the doctor was misdiagnosing the illness or acted too quickly. Past efforts to legislate this were complicated by amendments concerning the mental health of the mother, making the proposed restrictions almost meaningless. The hormonal fluctuations of a pregnant woman cause many mental variations that those in the psychiatric profession are eager to diagnose as a disease in order to reach their goal of making 100% of mankind a mental patient by revising the definitions. Interestingly, one of the two court cases that led to the Roe versus Wade decision involved a law that required a committee of doctors to review the case before a doctor could proceed with an emergency abortion for women in a medical crisis. That guaranteed that Justice Lewis Powell would vote to make abortion legal.
No you can't…you have difficulty comprehending…and your playing like you don't get it…so YOU DONT HAVE TO ANSWER. LOL
Your in bed together…..you both don't get it…not at all. There is nothing to answer or to address. Abortion that we are talking about is the taking the life of something alive…….and that is the business that PP is in. it is not the expulsion abortion…that happened when the child dies on ITS OWN. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING AOBUT HERE AND YOU KNOW IT.
It doesn't necessarily happen on its own, although usually it does. Sometimes the dead fetus must be removed surgically or the woman will become ill. That is called an abortion. It is not up to you what we can talk about here, and it is not up to you to define words to suit your own purposes.
This is like talking to a wall…literally. I have NEVER ONCE IN TEN YEARS OF DEBATING ON SITES…DEBATED ABORTION THE REMOVAL OF AN ALREADY DEAD CHILD. THE ABORTION EVERYONE IS TALKING AND ARGUING ABOUT IS THE KILLING THE TERMINATION OF A LIVING HUMAN FETUS IN THE WOMB.
does not happen on its own. Lmao what do women hire the abortionist to do grannie? Clean their teeth?
I'm for protection of all human life, not just those who haven't hit the birth canal yet. What is interesting to me is that states with some of the highest abortion rates are Bible Belt states. Tennessee has 15 abortions per 1000 women in the age group, Texas has 16, Georgia and North Carolina have 17, and Virginia has 18, etc. The other thing I find unfortunate is that the pro-life movement is aimed directly at poor people. Why do you values foks insist on attacking poor people? You know as well as I do that whatever laws against abortion you hope to enact DO NOT have a snowballs chance in hell of preventing debuttantes or pastors daughters or sorority suzies from going to Italy (or wherever) for abortions.
Could you site the statistics….Guttmaucher is the best site for stats…. How many woman hire an abortionist to remove their already dead child…at PP clinics? They are the countries biggest abortion clinic. What other word could you use besides terminate? Can you think of any? Do you think kill is an appropriate word? LOL
LOL, how many are done does not affect the definition of the word. Abortion does not mean "kill" since sometimes nothing is killed. Sometimes the fetus is already dead when an abortion is performed.
Which verifies what I have always contended - those who want to argue abortion should get some medical training so they know what they are talking about http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Surgical+abortion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion The correct medical term for a miscarriage is an abortion
You mean medical training…to learn how to kill, right? I am sure you have that knowledge and use it every chance you get? Right? You do not need to know how to do an abortion….to know it is wrong. Do you have to watch a rape…or watch someone abused to know its wrong? Well maybe you do…right? You can't address never could…this issue. You run, hide behind words….you deceive your own self….plain and simple…You love abortion…and you champion the rights of mothers to kill….until full term.
Abortion means kill. Find me stats on how many women contract PP…to remove their dead unborns. Go to their websites….nothing said…because they don't do it. LMAO….you people are…..well ya know I can't say it…just think the worst will ya.
Phoebe Bump said, "I'm for protection of all human life, not just those who haven't hit the birth canal yet." No your not. Because contrary to what you are saying…from conception there is something living inside the woman. If there was nothing alive….no woman who wanted an abortion would need an abortionist….or a morning after pill. So every child killed in the womb…was human and was living. The abortionists job is not complete unless that life is killed and contents are removed. What does this have to do with anything? You have that backwards toots. The pro-choice group…the PP people target the poor…..particularly BLACKS as their leader Sanger thought they were inferior…and wanted them segregated. What kind of cocktail are you drinking?
Abortion means terminate a pregnancy. I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt believing that you were just sincerely mistaken. But your clinging to this falsehood with such tenacity when evidence has been presented to prove otherwise leads me to believe you are simply lying. How can you claim to be a Bible-believing Christian and still promote such lies?
