Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

You have to put the fetus’ health above that of the woman carrying it, ergo you give less value to the female. And she becomes nothing more than an incubator for the time that she carries the fetus to you.

 

They have equal rights. The mother needs to be held accountable for her actions. Pregnancy is not mandatory. The woman must accept the possibility of getting pregnant and understand that leads to motherhood before rolling the dice. Abortion leads to a barren selfish existence.

This is an untasteful narrative but nevertheless I want to put it out there:
A criminal robs a bank with a firearm. This criminal must accept even the undesired outcome. Namely, he must accept the fact that he may go to prison for his actions. So far he has gotten away scott free. But the time will come when the police catch him, and in that event he must accept the consequences for his actions and society deems prison an appropriate and JUST place after a guilty verdict at trial. He will have to accept his right to autonomy as compromised due to his own actions. Same with the mother. Her pregnancy is a direct result of her action (sex). You make it seem like the womens rights are violated but in reality it was her own decisions that lead her to this point.

I am merely trying to correlate the action of sex with a consequence (of pregnancy) and I think this is were our paths diverge....

 

How have I put the health of the fetus above that of the prospective mother?

 

Boy you guys give me a lot of homework... lol

I will be back later after dinner to respond

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Yes, as you have been told, slaves and Jews had their right to bodily autonomy taken away, EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN

Because it is NOT a legal person, it has not been BORN, it does not have rights, it does not have the right to bodily autonomy....slaves, Jews and women DO.









It is the height of disgusting/deplorable when Anti-Choicers reduce what the slaves and Jews suffered when they compare that to the quick painless death of an embryo.

Calling slaves and Jews subhuman/less than a person, is the most disgusting thing I've seen in here...

 

You are correct, pregnancy is not mandatory and women can end them. Getting pregnant is not a crime and not punishable by having a basic human right taken away.

Only in your "Imagination Land".

Even if it did, it is a woman's right to CHOOSE that for herself.

Looks like all you want to do is punish women for having sex...



BTW, what happened to the Anti-Choicers argument that the father should have a say?

I asked what would happen if he said, "abort", and GEE, it got really quiet....



















It is the height of disgusting/deplorable when Anti-Choicers reduce what the slaves and Jews suffered when they compare that to the quick painless death of an embryo.

Calling slaves and Jews subhuman/less than a person, is the most disgusting thing I've seen in here...

 

why do you have a Star of David as your avatar?
the principles were founded on the history of the day. ShallWe go back to women being treated as inferior and slavery? ....Those good Christian principles

 

Slaves were considered sub human by democrats
Unborn babies, with no rights and labeled "not a person" are therefore considered subhuman by the liberal left

 

slaves were considered subhuman by Christians

 

Slaves weren't considered humans by slave owners....and they were NOT all Democrats...

NO, "subhuman" was YOUR word...YOU used it, I haven't seen a liberal use it....














BTW, what happened to the Anti-Choicers argument that the father should have a say?

I asked what would happen if he said, "abort", and GEE, it got really quiet....

 

Right, the fetus is not a person.
Therefore, the fetus is "less" than a person
Therefore the fetus is subhuman
Jews did not have rights during WWII in nazi germany
Slaves did not have rights prior to the civil war
unborn babies have not had rights in USA since 1973

It’s this “reasoning” that has been used throughout history: The six million Jews slaughtered by Nazi Germany were not humans; the black African-Americans lynched by Southern whites were not humans; and the blobs of dividing cells in the womb that 4D ultrasounds can now show responding to sounds and sucking their thumbs are not humans to those who choose to suck out their lives

You want to know who the real sub humans are in this? The people that murder unborn children. Not saying you guys. Im saying the abortionists who carry out the unthinkable act of abortion.

Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/...-way-to-solve-the-problem#Q8wpjcgdykGb8MA3.99

 

Ever heard of the emaciation proclamation? Yeah, that was Lincoln, a christian, who freed the slaves. You are only correct if by "subhuman" you mean aborted "fetuses" in the eyes of their mother and abortionist. And by extension, you abortionist enthusiasts.

Emancipation Proclamation

By the President of the United States of America:

A Proclamation.

Whereas, on the twenty-second day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:

“That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

“That the Executive will, on the first day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that any State, or the people thereof, shall on that day be, in good faith, represented in the Congress of the United States by members chosen thereto at elections wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such State shall have participated, shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such State, and the people thereof, are not then in rebellion against the United States.”

Now, therefore I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and in accordance with my purpose so to do publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days, from the day first above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States, the following, to wit:

Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.

And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States, are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.

And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.

And I further declare and make known, that such persons of suitable condition, will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts, positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said service.

And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty three, and of the Independence of the United States of America the eighty-seventh.

By the President: ABRAHAM LINCOLN

 

Of course the father has say, but ultimately the decision has to be made by the mother because she is the one carrying new life. We are simply addressing this from the women's perspective. But sure it takes two to tango. The bottom line is the father is just as responsible for the child as the mother is. If that child get's aborted the notion of responsibility as a father goes out the window. This is what happens when society regresses. When a women gets an abortion she becomes a murderer, she kills her son or daughter, she becomes de-sensitized to death, she could have serious health complications, responsibility goes out the window as does accountability.

Accountability goes hand in hand with personhood

Agree/disagree?

 

....Or the government. But the vast majority of slave owners were liberal democrats. And I will say that a majority of the founding fathers were opposed to slavery, as articulated by Abraham Lincoln...

Lincoln and his party were called radical and destructive, but he counted himself among the earliest defenders of conservative principles, which was in essence a defense of time-honored, traditional values. Lincoln said that out of the 39 framers of the Constitution, 23 of the 39 voted on whether to prevent the spread of slavery, and that 21 of the 23 voted in favor of doing so. Lincoln therefore said that it was the pro-slavery South that was radically breaking with the tradition begun by those that created the Constitution.

 

Norma McCorvey ... The name should ring a bell. Im going to list a few of her memorable quotes.

This first one we really need to talk about....


I’m Norma McCorvey, the former Jane Roe of the Roe vs. Wade decision that brought "legal" child killing to America. I was persuaded by feminist attorneys to lie; to say that I was raped, and needed an abortion. It was all a lie.
Norma McCorvey

I did not go to the Supreme Court on behalf of a class of women. I wasn't pursuing any legal remedy to my unwanted pregnancy. I did not go to the federal courts for relief. I went to Sarah Weddington asking her if she knew how I could obtain an abortion. She and Linda Coffey said they didn't know where to get one. They lied to me just like I lied to them. Sarah already had an abortion. She knew where to get one. Sarah and Linda were just looking for somebody, anybody, to further their own agenda. I was their willing dupe. For this, I will forever be ashamed.
Norma McCorvey

You read about me in history books, but now I am dedicated to spreading the truth about preserving the dignity of all human life from natural conception to natural death.
Norma McCorvey

I remained basically anonymous for almost 17 years. I, in those 17 years, I tried to commit suicide a couple of times. I was very ashamed of what I had done, and I was looking for forgiveness not only from God but from myself.
Norma McCorvey

I deeply regret the damage my original case caused women. I want the Supreme Court to examine the evidence and have a spirit of justice for women and children.
Norma McCorvey

"Instead of helping women in Roe v. Wade, I brought destruction to me & millions of women." ~ Norma McCorvey

"It's not your body, it's not your choice, because you got that from God. He gave that to you." ~ Norma McCorvey

"My case was wrongfully decided and has caused great harm to the women and children of our nation." ~ Norma McCorvey

"The holocaust against the unborn is the greatest sin they could ever do or even ever participate in." ~ Norma McCorvey

"I was the Jane Roe of Roe vs. Wade, but Jane Roe has been laid to rest." ~ Norma McCorvey

"We live in a society today where these children can be wanted children. Even if you don't want to keep this child after you've had it, there's plenty of young couples out there, that want children." ~ Norma McCorvey

"I think it's the pro-abortion people who are doing this to collect on their insurance, so they can go out and build bigger and better killing centers." ~ Norma McCorvey

"But Sarah Weddingtonhad never told me that what I was signing would allow women to use abortions as a form of birth control. We talked about truly desperate and needy women, not women already wearing maternity clothes." ~ Norma McCorvey

"Patients would come in and say, Well, my baby is going to have a cleft palate. I'm going like, that's not a reason. And the doctor would do the abortion." ~ Norma McCorvey

"Father God, we just ask You to open Your wide, wide arms and look down upon us, Lord, and lead us, and let us know what we should do to stop this, this terrible, terrible holocaust." ~ Norma McCorvey

The abortion industry lied to you. Read more on Norma's incredible transformation here:
https://www.liveaction.org/news/roe-v-wade-exploitation-mccorvey/

 

Did you really just go that low?

It is the apex of evil when abortionist enthusiasts try to spin the facts and manipulate the data in an effort to slander the conservative. Satan is close at hand..

Dont feed me this liberal garbage. You are manipulating the information and you know damn well thats a bogus comparison. I said all three were considered sub human, as in less than a person, lacking basic rights, get it?

Im not minimizing anyone's suffering... and you know that.
But believe it or not, there are holocaust deniers out there. And they happen to be predominately liberal democrats. Just FYI.

Quick bonus question.... mother teresa or Margaret Sanger?.... whos the better role model for our children?

 

Your leading leftist abortion advocates basically call the baby a parasite. Trust me, you don't want to go any further down this road. You will get obliterated.

 

There will be a special place for that women in heaven.What a great example of Godly love.

 

as long as you keep repeating that a zygote is the same as a child, it’s a waste of time. You also use faulty logic

 

I have the star of David as a dedication to a place in the world that brings joy to my heart. I consider myself an Israeli patriot by proxy. My family has had a long history with Israel going back 40+ years. I was conceived there and my brother was born in Jerusalem. Believe it or not, back in the early 80s Benjamin Netanyahu was our landlord! At that time my father predicted he was going to be prime minister of Israel some day. And that prophecy came to pass. I called Trump for 2016 well in advance of the election, and that came to pass. I predict Trump will win in 2020. It's what you would call a foregone conclusion. Democrats got in this mess by being dishonest and promoting wide spread corruption. These are not values of America, these are values of the former Soviet Union.

 

YOUR word, YOU used it , NO one else did so don't say anyone else did.

Slaves and Jews had their right to bodily autonomy taken away...EXACTLY WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.

The unborn NEVER had rights.
They don't now.

I thought you said fetuses were the subhumans….so now a subhuman is anyone you declare to be a subhuman....

I don't need your link to know women have the same rights everyone else has and that's the way it should be.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
BTW, what happened to the Anti-Choicers argument that the father should have a say?

I asked what would happen if he said, "abort", and GEE, it got really quiet....

That's the point ...the father can 'say" all he wants but it isn't his decision.....it is the decision of the pregnant one, not the father's and certainly not YOURS.

Good to see you finally acknowledge it is HER decision.....not yours and not the government's...

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YOU do NOT know every woman's perspective.

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Yes, the CHILD NOT the fetus.

Ugga duh, yup, if there's no child the father has nothing to be responsible for...brilliant observation.

Society regresses when people call women who have abortions murders.

Oh, look one did !!!

THEN WHY HAVEN'T YOU CALLED THE COPS?????

YOU do NOT know that.

Less than pregnancy.

Only in your mind.....some think it's very responsible to not have a kid one doesn't want or can't afford......YOU don't rule on what is or isn't "responsible".

Then that fetus you insist is a legal person should take care of itself and account for itself ...

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
NO, "subhuman" was YOUR word...YOU used it, I haven't seen a liberal use it....

"Parasite" is not the same word as "subhuman".....did you notice???

And scientifically it is a parasite, it lives off another living entity.


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LOL! You have proven nothing...Obliterated? LOL, you haven't made a dent...

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
It is the height of disgusting/deplorable when Anti-Choicers reduce what the slaves and Jews suffered when they compare that to the quick painless death of an embryo.

No, it wasn't I who went low. It was you who compared the horror and suffering of the Jews and slaves, actual BORN people who can feel, to the quick painless death of a fetus...

It is the apex of evil

Oooh, I'm so frightened of your Big Bad Satan with his long tail and horns...Sorry, I don't believe in fairy tales.

Another load of crap you can't prove.

Quick ! NEITHER! They are both dead....and this is the 21st century...



1. Abortion is legal and most Americans have shown for years that they approve of legal abortion.

2. One can say a fetus has rights but that does not give fetuses rights.

3. RvW hasn't had so much as a good challenge in 50 years...

4. Banning abortion destroys half the population's right to bodily autonomy so I don't think they'll let sicko men ban abortion.

 

SO WHAT!?


SHE does not rule on the law...


Norma: ""They lied to me just like I lied to them""".....and you believe her every word ...LOLOLL!!!