Thanks for the links. @undertheradar was kind enough to post information confirming what I have also noticed about Wikipedia. Wikipedia, as it turns out, is a reasonably reliable source for information on a wide range of subjects except when it comes to information of interest to Jewish people like Israel - Palestine, WW 2, the holocaust etc. On those topics it has an egregious anti German, anti Palestinian bias that most people accept as fact. I may have already mentioned www.wearswar.com which I've found to be informative and objective. Please take a look and let me know what you think. I wonder where the holocaustians are. Even though they have, historically, been a snarky and insulting bunch I really am curious to know why anyone would believe such outrageous myths with so little evidence. Their blind and fanatical belief in things that are so irrational and physically impossible are no different than any other cult or religion. For example, if "millions" of people were killed in homicidal gas chambers, there would have to have been hundreds of gas chambers and reams of documents, blueprints, work orders, maintenance requests and consistent eyewitness testimony noting the cherry red color of the skin which is a symptom of cyanide poisoning Additionally, the camps that are reported to have no homicidal gas chambers had the same amount of Zyklon B delivered per inmate as the camps claimed to have homicidal gas chambers. In other words, Auschwitz would have required more Zyklon B per inmate for gassing than Bergen-Belsen where no homicidal gas chambers are reported to have existed but Auschwitz ordered the same amount of Zyklon B per inmate as Bergen Belsen. It's factual details like these that debunk the fragile holocaust myth which is why the only people who blindly believe in the holocaust story must rely on diversionary insults, dilettante philosophizing about "anti Semites", "Neo Nazis" and other off topic rubbish. I suspect that @pitbull and @MuchAdo appear to have dropped out because missing or forged documents, tortured confessions, fake photos, impossible "eyewitness testimony" and lowly defamation are no substitute for the facts. Thanks,
I dropped out due to the lying rubbish which depends on links to sites run by Anti Semites and not actual history. Anybody with any sense can see whats going on here. Its the high jacking of a thread to promote Anti Semitic content and views.
You're unable to understand the Holocaust because you reject all evidence. You think you know better, but that's a mistake. It's called the "Dunning-Kruger effect". https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/dunning-kruger-effect
First, I hope that you will notice that I no longer confuse the words "slander" and "libel" and I appreciate your pointing out that mistake. You see, I am willing to admit when I am wrong but just because a source relates facts that contradict your mistaken beliefs doesn't mean that it is either "anti Semitic" or supportive of Neo Nazism. Facts are simply facts and nothing I have written and supported is anti Semitic or pro Nazi. For example, it is an irrefutable fact that Jewish individuals were were high ranking members of Germany's WW 2 era National Socialist Party (1) and about 150,000 Jews served in Germany's WW 2 military with many of them rising to the highest ranks and receiving Germany's highest military honors. All this happened with the full knowledge and approval of Hitler and the German High Command. Those are simply facts that debunk the real rubbish churned out by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry that has deceived you and many others with profitable lies, fake props, lying "eyewitnesses", tortured confessions, altered and / or completely phony photos, forged documents and outrageous hoaxes like "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap" and similar lies proving a deliberate willingness to deceive. Another fact is that there are no mass graves found at Treblinka (2) and no evidence that millions were killed at any of the other German run work camps. These facts are not "anti Semitic" nor is sharing them to debunk anti German defamation "pro Nazi"; they just The German people have been ruthlessly shamed enough and paid dearly enough in blood and resources for despicable lies still generated by a Holocaust Industry that is so corrupt it even cheats legitimate holocaust survivors yet you still believe its unsupportable lies. What drives you to believe and spread such hate filled and unsupportable anti German defamation? I'd really like to know because it's very much like a cult belief that requires blind and unquestioning faith in the impossible. Thanks, (1) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED (2) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust” https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363 EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED
No, I don't reject all evidence and I don't recall your presenting any. To be clear, do you still believe the early "evidence" about human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, human (Jewish) fat soap etc? Why would you believe anything that such a fraudulent Holocaust Industry manufactures? Thanks,
What I believe is irrelevant. These things are possible, I don't know if they existed or not. The lampshade story is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampshades_made_from_human_skin Again, Holocaust history doesn't depend on my belief, nor on the belief of anyone. It depends on evidence, not on any manufactured stuff: https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/holocaust-denial-and-distortion/evidence-documentation-holocaust
For Holocaust deniers to be correct in their assertion that the Holocaust did not happen, all Holocaust survivors would have to be wrong; other non-Jewish bystanders who have testified that they saw Jews being marched to the outskirts of their towns would have to be lying; historians who have studied the history of the Holocaust would have to be a part of a conspiracy or completely wrong; and the perpetrators themselves—those who actually admitted their guilt—would have to be wrong or lying. The only way to truly believe this would be to believe that Jews are controlling the world. President Biden's nominee for the State Department’s special envoy to monitor and combat antisemitism, historian Dr. Deborah Lipstadt, has explained, "As should be obvious, Holocaust denial is, quite plainly, a form of antisemitism. It is not about history. It is about attacking, discrediting, and demonizing Jews.” In truth, Holocaust denial is an effort to exonerate Nazis for responsibility in the genocide of the Jewish people. The only reason to deny the Holocaust is to inculcate and spread antisemitism, including anti-Zionism. https://www.worldjewishcongress.org...olocaust-denial-and-distortion-is-antisemitic
You are right about Wikipedia. It is owned by a Jewish fellow, no wonder he sticks up for his own tribe.They also have another Jewish owned one, called Quora. How is Metapedia?.... Have you ever tried it? A guy from Sweden owns it! I lived in Sweden for several years and loved it there! Nice people. Here is a link to Meta... https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZSBR&pc=MOZI&q=who+owns+metapedia Very neutral, I find. Pittbull is on my ignore list and is probably wandering around aimlessly under different names in various forums. I don't miss him! Unless I would have witnessed the holocaust myself with my own eyes, I have nothing genuine to contribute. I think, I will wind down here and let you, dear Grau, continue your much better arguments.
Jazz, do you think all those who did witness the holocaust are all part of a conspiracy against their own people?
Former German chancellor Mrs. Merkel drinking German beer. This is true Germanness. Holocaust denial is not.
HC deniers are usually extremely ridiculous. But Mr. Grau is a laudable exception. At some point he'll certainly bring up new theses that refute the HC once and forever! That's a too simplistic explanation. From a pro-Zionist source, eh? There are many reasons why people deny the Holocaust. For example some HC deniers can't stand the fact that their ascendants were murderous monsters. Btw, I'm a German citizen. Some of my ancestors supported the Nazis and I myself disapprove of the terrorist state "Israel" for its occupation rule and its crimes against the Palestinian people. But I would never deny the Holocaust or claim a "Jewish world conspiracy". These things are just too stupid to believe.
MORE INSULTING EVASIONS; HI JACKING THE HOLOCAUST The fact that you cannot refute a word I have written throughout this thread is proof enough that the standard holocaust narrative is grossly inflated and replete with racist and profit driven lies. Neither I nor anyone here has denied that the holocaust happened so copying and pasting another defamatory and Judeocentric hit piece that applies to less than 1% of the world's population only proves that a few greedy and dishonest Jews seek to monopolize "The Holocaust®" as exclusively Jewish property when so many people of various background suffered much longer and worse fates during that tragic era. The fact remains that far more people do not believe lies(1) about human skin lampshades, homicidal gas, steam or electric chambers and a non existent genocidal German agenda(2). Rather than trying to refute the fact that there could not have been a genocidal German agenda with Jewish members in the National Socialist party(3) and 150,000 Jewish soldiers in Hitler's military, you evade the facts with another cheap and insulting hit piece from a militant Zionist hate site. Trying to appropriate the holocaust as exclusively Jewish property is about as bigoted and avaricious as you can get so it is fitting that the buffoonish, know-nothing, Lipstadt, has become a Holocaust Industry chief mascot. This is the same D. Lipstadt who was gagged by her multi-million dollar legal team during the Irving "trial" so that her complete ignorance would not become even more widely known. Finally, it has become glaringly obvious that you are entirely unable to support the bigoted myths you have chosen to believe so all you can do is accuse others of "anti Semitism". Fortunately, howling "anti Semite" over and over is so common that it is meaningless. Former Israeli official, Shulamit Aloni goes so far as to call it "The Trick": EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic..... And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED Shulamit Aloni https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00076/dont-be-caught-out-by-the-trick.htm So, since you cannot refute any of the facts I've presented, stick with "The Trick". (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust." - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED (2) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.” - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190 (3) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED
Re: Thank you, that is precisely the point I've tried to make throughout this thread. The evidence that the Germans attempted to murder all of Europe's Jews simply isn't there nor is there any evidence that they succeeded in murdering about 11 million people. Please just look at Treblinka where 2 detailed, expert examinations found no mass graves. Western law requires hard evidence before executing someone for murder or mass murder but yet countless Germans were tortured and murdered in the shameful, Soviet style post War "Trials". More cursory examinations of other camps have also discovered no mass graves nearly equivalent to the number deaths claimed so the most compelling evidence that about 11 million were killed by the Germans just doesn't exist. That is perhaps the most important fact in evaluating the truthfulness of the standard holocaust narrative and not "manufactured stuff". Yes, I believe that many innocent Jews were persecuted, robbed, incarcerated and some even executed. Most all pro German - anti Communist Jews, however, were not and lived like most other Germans but with some restrictions. Most all of the anti Jewish sentiment among Germany's National Socialists was because of their connection to Communism. About 80% of the early Communist Party leadership was Jewish. The Germans and Hitler saw the horrors committed by these early Communists and feared its spread by Jewish commissars many of whom were ruthless and violent. For most Germans, WW 2 was a war against already spreading Communism and unfortunately very many early Communists happened to be Jewish(1). While one's political beliefs don't justify incarceration, neither did the Japanese deserve their relocation / incarceration. Finally my overall contention is that German WW 2 military members were no more vicious and brutal than soldiers of any other nationality and less brutal than many. It would have required unimaginable amounts of German manpower to murder so many and then make about 11 million bodies disappear but the hard evidence damning the German military just isn't there. Thanks, (1) “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish” https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150 EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED
Oh, please.... Not the prophesy again We all know that a political prediction is not the same as a direct order to commit mass murder. This is what an order for mass murder looks like: "Eisenhower's Starvation Order" http://library.flawlesslogic.com/ike.htm EXCERPT "Copies of the orders were discovered recently in several villages near the Rhine ... The message [which Bacque reproduces] reads in part: "... under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local inhabitants in order to deliver them to the prisoners of war. Those who violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being shot...." Eisenhower's order was also posted in English, German and Polish on the bulletin board of Military Government Headquarters in Bavaria, signed by the Chief of Staff of the Military Governor of Bavaria. Later it was posted in Polish in Straubing and Regensburg, where there were many Polish guard companies at nearby camps. One US Army officer who read the posted order in May 1945 has written that it was "the intention of Army command regarding the German POW camps in the US Zone from May 1945 through the end of 1947 to exterminate as many POWs as the traffic would bear without international scrutiny." CONTINUED Then, there's Churchill's order to starve at least 3 million residents of India and "roast" innocent German refugees: "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster" https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/ EXCERPT: Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier: “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”CONTINUED I don't think I need to post the direct orders for mass murder from Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and the Zionist invaders of Palestine. There is, however, no order from Hitler to murder Europe's Jews: “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.” - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190
Hitler meant it seriously, as you can see from the further course of history. In the occupied eastern areas, Hitler's killing squads specifically searched for Jews, led them into a forest and shot them there. Before that, the victims were forced to dig their own mass grave.This is known as "Holocaust by bullets". Looks more like "revisionist fake history". Crude Eisenhower & Churchill bashing, only to be found on neo-Nazi websites.
Re: History does not show that Hitler ordered or even wanted to murder all of Europe's Jews or else he would not have allowed Jewish individuals to become high ranking members of both the National Socialist party and Germany's WW 2 military. After it became more and more obvious that there were very few if any mass graves anywhere near any of the German run work camps, the creative minions of the Holocaust Industry manufactured the "Holocaust by Bullets" scam to evade explaining why there are no mass graves at Treblinka or any of the other camps. Any objective person should be able to see through this ruse. Re: That and howling "anti Semite" and "Neo Nazi" are standard evasion ploys used by History Deniers when confronted with facts that are contrary to their brainwashing. Just because you are uncomfortable with the facts that Bacque has discovered doesn't make him an "anti Semite" or "Neo Nazi" "... under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local inhabitants in order to deliver them to the prisoners of war. Those who violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being shot...." There is nothing vague about Eisenhower's determination to murder hundreds of thousands Germans via starvation. “God, I hate the Germans...” — Dwight D. Eisenhower https://quotefancy.com/quote/796826/Dwight-D-Eisenhower-God-I-hate-the-Germans Even though Stephen Ambrose publicly condemns Bacque's contention that Eisenhower was a mass murdering war criminal, he privately admits: EXCERPT " I quarrel with many of your interpretations, [but] I am not arguing with the basic truth of your discovery.... you have the goods on these guys, you have the quotes from those who were present and saw with their own eyes, you have the broad outline of a truth so terrible that I really can't bear it.... You really have made a major historical discovery, the full impact of which neither you nor I nor anyone can fully imagine..." CONTINUED https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1266
No, objective people who want an honest and complete account of WW 2 era history appreciate historians with the courage to tell the truth.
No courage necessary, rather a lot of imagination when inventing stories. --> https://www.nizkor.org/bacque-1-bacque-james/
Nizkor is nothing more than a lowly and defamatory Zionist hate site that relies exclusively on insulting anyone and everyone that debunks the holocaust narrative and / or residual Allied propaganda. Ambrose, who runs the Eisenhower library / museum is paid to publicly denounce anything critical of Eisenhower. However when he candidly admits(1) that he doesn't argue with the basic truth of Bacque's discovery and that Bacque has "...made a major historical discovery", that carries more weight than what he is paid to say to the public. After all, Bacque even sent time studying records in Moscow and interviewing German, American and French eyewitnesses. The junk yard dogs at Nizkor and Ambrose did not. By the way, at least two former German POWs reported that they loaded the dead bodies of naked and starved Germans onto train cars headed to the East where an American guard said they were used as props for staged Allied propaganda "documentaries"(2) (1) EXCERPT " I quarrel with many of your interpretations, [but] I am not arguing with the basic truth of your discovery.... you have the goods on these guys, you have the quotes from those who were present and saw with their own eyes, you have the broad outline of a truth so terrible that I really can't bear it.... You really have made a major historical discovery, the full impact of which neither you nor I nor anyone can fully imagine..." CONTINUED https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1266 (2) “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder” https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe."CONTINUED
A brief bit of research on Ken McVay who is the only person at Nizkor reveals that he has absolutely no credentials and works all day as a service station manager (i.e. he works on cars etc). There is no evidence that he has received any education in anything and is certainly no authority on WW 2 or the holocaust.
Zionists lie a lot about Palestine and their so-called fake state "israel", but I never catched them lying about the Holocaust. They don't have to do that either, because Holocaust history supports Zionist agenda. Zionists misuse the Holocaust to justify their evil ideology. Sad but true. On the other hand, we can't fight them by denying the Holocaust. Fighting evil with lies will never work.
