ACA saves 50,000 lives

Touché. Wanna medal?

 

You seem to think that the ACA was a deliberate attempt to sabotage the quality and affordability of American medicine, but fail to foresee the devastating aftershock that would occur if the program was derailed. Right and wrong are not determined by partisanship . . . they are individual matters of conscience and reason. Obamacare should be fixed, not discarded. It is unfair to jeopardize the health of our citizens over partisan stubbornness.

 

Because Forbes is merely reporting what the administration claims Forbes is not claiming this to be true or their opinion. I havent seen it mentioned on Fox today however

Your just trying to be obtuse.

 

those who claim to be ''pro life'' should always applaud ACA

 

That it was with little bombs planted should anyone try to dismantle it.

Too late they passed Obamacare

Healthcare needed reform but we didnt need to dismantle the whole system merely to give 12 million people more insurance with questionable care.

 

Did you bother to check the author? Idk why people think a story written by a leftist writer employed by a center right or somehow makes the story more legit. This leftist author merely cited Obama, who was citing a White House ESTIMATE.

and this had absolutely nothing to do with the major parts of the ACA. I mean, the way that liberals your these uncontroversial parts of the bill is akin to conservatives saying, "what, you don't like the Bush tax cuts? You want the poor who are barely able to make ends meet to pay more taxes?" It's just a very silly talking point.

 

you seem to think I am challenging the ACA itself... clearly you don't comprehend what I am saying...

the POSTER OF THIS THREAD, made a claim the ACA saved 50,000 lives by repeating claims the whitehouse has made... I have clearly demonstrated those claims are in fact incorrect... as the CDC data has proven the infection rates in hospitals has been in decline since 2002 thanks to the hospitals spending hundreds of millions of dollars in new technology they have developed to combat this issue... and that their commitment and investment has NOTHING to do with the ACA... which is the claim the post, and the whitehouse, are making... its completely false and I proved it to be absolutely false using the governments own data...

its just a political attempt to shore up support for something that has not lived up to be what was promised...

I am contesting the BOLD AND DIRECT LIES FROM THE WHITEHOUSE PRESS RELEASE stating the ACA is the reason why these lives were saved... clearly its not...

so please, stop using your brain wrong, they lied, I proved they lied, and you can't stand it... or do you reject the CDC data proving they lied??? which one is the liar??? the CDC or the whitehouse??? you choose, I will await your answer...

 

Sarcasm revealing indifference towards loss of life reflects extremely poor taste, but sheds insight on why many are against universal coverage.

 

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that.

 

the reason it isnt on FOX is because they dont deal in facts

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actually you are grossly distorting what was reported, your comments do not relate to the article at all.

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Forbes is leftist? I dont think so.

 

Maybe we need more BIPARTISAN COOPERATION to fix it.

 

^_- since I said it's a center right org....

 

Welcome to PF

 

Wow, you really have to reach to rationalize don't you. I'm not religious. I hope all liberals abort. There will be fewer of you. It's still murder. But I can live with it if it's restricted to liberals killing their own.

 

Standard operating procedures in our election process dictate that significant funds be raised to finance sufficient exposure for prospective candidates, and those most able to provide those funds more often than not expect their selected candidates to represent their own political and economic views. Thus, the selection process itself is most likely to provide us with only the choices of well-funded special-interest groups, and the best interests of our country and the general population are almost certainly given a lower priority, if considered at all. With this in mind, we are indeed justified in being suspicious of ANY government proposals or actions, and we know that propaganda is invariably distorted or one-sided to reflect favorably on the party originating it.

However, by attacking alleged lies supporting the ACA, one cannot avoid getting the impression that you are against it. I disapprove of deception as much as you, but in a debate, one does not fuel his opponent's arguments.

So, I will ask you directly: Do you favor repeal of the ACA, or would you prefer that we fix it?

 

way to use a fancy grouping of words to say... "I don't want to acknowledge the whitehouse and democrats LIED about their claims the ACA saved 50,000 lived and billions of dollars in money"...

you just rationalized and justified your complete and utter lack of accountability for their deceit of ALL americans... and now you're attempting to deflect away from that by spinning this into a question aimed at my support or rejection of a piece of legislation... which would ultimately have NO bearing on the LIES just released by the whitehouse... my support is irrelevant to claims they released to the press today... my support or lack thereof does not change the facts... THEY LIED...

stop being a stooge... either you accept or reject people who lie... you don't spin things around to try and find faults with me as a person, either you support or you reject their lies and deceit... so why don't YOU answer the question thats being posed all along... do you accept the lies the democrat whitehouse has released for political power and gain?

its a simple yes or no... I don't need a bunch of deflection...

"standard operating procedure"... for who... liars... do you support the democrats who just lied?

(you know 10 different ways of restating the same question I asked after I proved it was a lie, who lied, the whitehouse or the CDC and its data)

 

While costing many more lives and running peoples lives which is ignored.

This just hit home for me.

My mother has to sell her house to pay for chemo which the aca will not pay for.

Her old insurance which she chose and paid into for years covered it but they just dumped her and because they aca encourages them to do so.

Such stories are typical and nationwide.

That pig you elected shoved this on us when we did not need it. Because he and all other progressive fools think they know what is best for all.

 

Im sure they will get to it

Forbes did not give their opinion or report on the subject. The simply reported the news as espoused by the Obama administration. Why is this so hard for you to grasp ?

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It needs to go

 

I am so sorry about your Mom. Liberals seem to think Obama Care policies are the same as standard health insurance policies. They aren't. In California Obama Care policies pay medical facilities just slightly above what Medicaid pays and most facilities where I live won't take either. That's something the Obama Care Cheerleaders won't tell you or are just simply ignorant of.

 

It probably saves that many people every year. And the billions it saves people is innumerable.

Thank you Mr Obama!

 

". If you like your plan you can keep your plan"

That pig you praise is a liar who cost more lives and money than saved .
This health care system has done more harm than good but of course he does not need it for his ugly family.

Only a progressive fools thinks some ghetto trash community organizer can fix other peoples health care

 

My wife contracted VRE and MRSA infections during hip replacement surgery at MAYO CLINIC in 2007, and she died shortly afterwards. The report by Forbes said that improvements were due "IN PART" to ACA increased controls. This qualification does not deny nor discredit CDC's efforts to eradicate these potentially lethal bacteria, but I appreciate that the ACA provides additional precautions, and you should also.

 

Spoken like someone who gets health insurance through their employer. I have actually had and Obama Care policy......it's crapola.

 

the hundreds of millions of dollars hospitals have spent over the past decade to improve infection rates, was earmarked and spent prior to the ACA even being written... once again, the CDC data confirms this downward trend since 2002... the trend didn't improve even more after the ACA, in fact its slowed down since the ACA... while I'm not willing to say the ACA has caused the slowdown, I think its just a natural process after so much money, each additional dollar impacts it less, one could argue using the EXACT same logic the whitehouse is using to take credit for this, that would actually prove its harming it... but I won't go that far because I am being fair...

(once again I notice you STILL have answered my direct questions to the original message you replied)

do you support democrats lying to take credit for this? or if you think they are telling the truth, does that mean to are saying the CDC is lying?

who's lying... the democrats who released that press statement from the whitehouse, or the CDC who has been tracking results for well over a decade, dating back to 2002 in my examples of proof... isn't it dishonest and a flat out lie to use the last couple years of an already downward trend, and claim the ACA is responsible?

I mean seriously, you are trying SO HARD not to just answer that very simple point... you SO BADLY want to not say the democrat whitehouse lied and deceived us to take credit for something it did not do... I mean seriously look at all the spin you continue to throw out there trying to weasel out of just acknowledging, yes they lied... it was wrong... I do not support those actions...

or do you support the lies? I may actually be wrong in thinking you're an honest person who can clearly see it, perhaps you don't want to that bad, because it would mean you have to reflect on all your other thoughts and actions supporting and defending them... I'm not asking you to change your political affiliation, just acknowledge the intention deceit of the democrat whitehouse when they released those documents taking credit for it...

P.S. but you can't do that can you? because it would mean something you believe in, isn't what you thought it was... so you rationalize and justify it at any expense, even your own morals and values... I mean you think its wrong to lie and deceive people right?

 

No, not really. It is not exclusive to middle aged white males. For that matter, other sub-groups like blacks and Hispanics, are really worse off than whites. So, there has to be something more. However:

Invariably, it seems it is we in the white community who obsess over our own efficacy, and fail to recognize the value of commitment, irrespective of outcome. People of color, on the other hand, never having been burdened with the illusion that the world was their oyster, and thus, anything they touched could and should turn to gold, usually take a more reserved, and I would say healthier view of the world and the prospects for change. They know (as indeed they must) that the thing being fought for, at least if it’s worth having, will require more than a part-time effort, and will not likely come in the lifetimes of those presently fighting for it.

It's the despair brought on by finally realizing the dream is dead.