After AR15's are banned, then what?

You don’t need a class 3 license.

 

And i propose that you buy anar15 in the same way
We are all happy now

 

And i propose we make ar15 similarly available

 

So, bottom lime...l treat ar15 like a machine gun and everyone is happy
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Yes, but lets just erase the difference between automatic and semi automatic... treat them all like automatic...Since, as so many people have assured me ARE available... so you should have no objection

 

Sure, and all knives should be referred to as swords, night as day, and murder as a strong disagreement. It’s consistent with the purposeful misrepresentation of words like ‘assault weapon’, and ‘Military Style’.
I love the comedy of this forum.

 

Ultimately for what legitimate purpose?

 

In my opinion a weapon such as the AR15 type in skilled hands and use of high capacity magazines can cause nearly as much damage or suprisingly more than an automation version. The M16 and my guess the M4 has versions that you can select to fire in bursts. Firing in full auto degrades accuracy unless you are ultra good. That is why I say that a semi auto weapon in the right hands can cause more damage than a full auto taking accuracy into consideration.

The only time a actually fire an M16 in full auto mode was at the range just before I went over to Vietnam. It was not equipped with select fire so the instructors told us to manually control our firing to bursts of three. We also were allowed to try full auto so we could learn how fast that would empty a mag. At that time us Air Force types only had 20 round mags even in Vietnam. The irony was that the two attacks that I experienced were by Katuisha rockets and 80mm mortars so I never got to fire at the enemy I could not see.

Make my long ramblings short yes for all practical purposes a semi auto AR 15 and an automatic weapon of similar type can be considered the "same".

 

No thanks.

 

Nope. We won’t let you do that.

 

Yes, i also love the comedy on this forum
Since we both love amusung diversions of this sort
Let me share another such amusement

Here... do an experiment
Is you try to identify a particular type of gun called an assault weapon.... lots of people will make their business to show how you cannot identify a type of gun

Then if you try to agree that you cannot make distinctions in types of guns (automatic and semi automatic). And therefore should treat them the same..... those same people will tell you how obvious it is that there ARE different types of guns

 

You seem to think that if a gun is hugely more expensive.... it is functionally unavailable....

But when i argued machine guns WERE unavailable.... i was told how very wrong i was

So.... are machine guns available..., or not?

 

I am shocked, shocked

 

Well said

That said, ful auto is used in some circumstances.... as I understand it... when you want to suppress your opponent. Sometimes you just want to throw out a hail of bullets to scare the crap out of people so they keep their head down..

.. or maybe you have a lot of people who you want to kill indiscriminately.... like in wwi..... you had a whole wave of people coming at you.... and soldiers with machine guns used full automatic fire sweeping back and forth across the battle field

Or, if you want to commit genocide.... full auto works well.... nazis liked to line up lots of people and use full auto on them.... it seemed to be effective for the purpose

 

Yes with concentrated targets full auto in the right hands can do a lot of damage. What I was referring to or thinking of is say a shooter such as the El Paso turd. He would and I think did more damage with a semi auto weapon than with a full auto weapon in an area where your targets can scatter and are not too concentrated. My assessment anyways.

 

Yes, i agree.... with the caveat that a novice might assume they could do worse with full auto

This entire discussion becomes (IMO) a convoluted mess
In that mass shooting are so shocking as to raise these topics....
But yet, by the numbers, mass shootings are not such a big problem. And, yeah, it is near impossible to define an assult weapon, And yeah, not matter how you define an assault weapon.... manufacturers will still market still find ways yo make and sell highly lethal weapons. And what ever manufacturers do...enthusiasts will find ways to procure mods like high capacity magazines, etc

So you got a problem that isn’t exactly the problem
And you have solutions that cannot solve the problem
And you have lots of people and money devoted to making sure the problem will not be solved. You have people who are trying to solve the wrong problem. People who just want to do “something” even if it is an in effective solution for the wrong problem...... on and on an on

 

Well, I do not agree that distinctions cannot be made between automatic and semi-automatic guns; that distinction is easy. Further, I can both define the criteria for, identify assault rifles/weapons and make distinction between any gun’s type of action. As for an ‘assault weapon’ a AR15 isn’t one. As for asking people to identify one, those knowledgeable of firearms can. Those that have obtained their ‘expertise’ from the mainstream media and Hollywood have no knowledge of how firearms work, but tend to identify the class of a gun by a gun’s resemblance to images of those weapons the MS media, Hollywood, and other sources of propaganda use in their depictions of those weapons they vilify with narratives constructed from myth and ignorance. Most of them have no clue of the origin of the term ‘assault rifle’ nor the criteria used for it’s definition.
I had a discussion the other day with a fellow who declared all semi autos as evil, including semi auto pistols. You shouldn’t be able to shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger, the definition, according to him of a semi auto gun. Really, says I; does that include revolvers? Says, he...’Yes’. Those knowledgable will chuckle with that.
Identification of a type gun requires knowledge of guns, their history of development, design lineages, and more. But, your bid for agreement...”Then if you try to agree that you cannot make distinctions in types of guns (automatic and semi automatic). And therefore should treat them the same..... those same people will tell you how obvious it is that there ARE different types of guns” is implicit that those that can’t operate from positions of ignorance and should not participate in crafting law based on that ignorance, yet your position of treating semi autos and autos is an appeal to that level of ignorance.

 

Anyone can pick up a paint brush. The result will depend on skill. Someone skilled with a WWII Lee Enfield can be as effective as someone with a semi auto rifle, and depending on the task, can be more effective than someone with an M4 chambered in 5.56.
“Sameness” of firearms can always be defined... they all toss projectiles downrange. But, different designs are better suited for some tasks than others and their effectiveness is hugely affected by skill.

 

The damage done couldn’t have been done with a bolt action rifle, a Winchester lever gun, or a pump action?

 

It could come close with a very highly skilled shooter using a bolt action but older bolt action rifles did not have the large capacity magazine.

 

So-called madmen kill thousands of Americans a year with handguns, but even the most ardent gun grabbers balk at taking away handguns. The thing is, the AR or AK can be portrayed as 'scary' and triggered liberals will cower in fear and demand the scary guns be banned. Even though those scary guns kill very few people a year. The solution to all these problems is for gun grabbers to actually grab their sacks and realize that their fears don't trump my rights. We need fewer infringements, more freedoms...

 

True bolt action rifles are very very difficult to rapid fire. My " Winchester " level action 22 is obviously tube fed. It takes some time to reload. I can load 16 rounds of 22 shorts but besides not having shopping power the fire fight would be long over before I reloaded. When my dad first gave that first totally my rifle he gave me a small case of 22 shorts to kill paper targets, bottles and cans. At age 16 I was The Rifleman....LOL