After AR15's are banned, then what?

A good idea which, of course, would not prevent them from arming themselves with any weapon they might like.

 

Of course recidivism is relevant, I did not claim otherwise.

About 75% of felons are rearrested within 5 years - but 25% are not, they are rehabilitated, they go on to live their lives without breaking the law. Those 25% have paid the price, they learned their lesson, and should not be continually punished.

How do you determine if a person is rehabilitated (within that 25%)? That's what parole is supposed to do, the person is released from prison but is still restricted and monitored for a certain period of time. If the person completes parole without incident and is a productive member of society, then all restrictions should be lifted.

Does the "justice" system actually work? In my experience, no it does not, from the cops to the legislatures it is broken, it does not serve justice at all.

The criminal justice system is theoretically based on punishment, rehabilitation, and a disincentive. If a criminal is caught, punished, and comes out of the process and never relapses back into criminal behavior, then he is rehabilitated. It does not matter if he gives up crime because his morals have changed (a better person) or if he does not commit crimes out of fear of punishment (a disincentive of avoiding prison) - in either case the system worked.

 

That's already happening, and is the reason inner cities have homicide rates in the 30+ per 100k range.

Many of them getting killed in the 90's drug wars is probably why our crime has dropped as low as it is.

 

If something works 25% of the time, it cannot be considered a success rate. It is a 75% failure rate and the parole office is not qualified to rubber stamp "Rehabilitated" on someones file allowing them to own firearms. I do realize that they will still get one if they want. I would even go further and allow random searches of dwellings, vehicles, and their person if they are convicted of a violent crime. If they violate my right not to be harmed, they should not expect the right to own a firearm or protection from search and seizure.

Imagine how much crime can be prevented if we raided the homes of known felons!

 

You are treating them as a group, not as individuals. The USA is founded on the individual, where people should be valued by the content of their character, this is the nation that held Blackstone's formulation to a high standard - that 10 guilty go free rather than 1 innocent suffer.

The standard can be high to avoid mistakes, but people who have reformed and are safe to re-enter society in every way should be allowed to have their rights restored.

In practical terms, the USA "justice" system is a failure and cannot be trusted to catch and punish criminals fairly, or to leave the innocent alone, or to even determine who is innocent or guilty or rehabilitated.

 

Then why do you trust them to decide who is truly rehabilitated?

 

Thank you for the thought, but there are others that do far better than I...

 

Right now, I do not. That's why in the previous posts I have added comments to the effect that the system is broken. I do not trust the so-called "justice" system to leave the innocent alone or to properly deal with the guilty. Cops arrest innocent people, the innocent and guilty are overcharged by the cops, the state attorneys further load up on charges, to the point that once stuck in the tar pit a person cannot get free. The best approach to dealing with the system is to not get involved at all - including not calling the police except as a truly last resort.

 

I agree with you there, however, violent criminals had their due process and were found guilty by a jury of their piers. Those who have shown that they lack the self control required for firearm ownership should never be allowed to be within arms reach of a firearm.

I would even go as far as denying gun sales to those who show high levels of stupidity. YouTube is a good resource for a "Too stupid to own a gun" list.

 

They shouldn't be within arms reach of a dull spoon.

Those who commit murder or attempted murder during the commission of a violent crime should never see the sun again.

 

Most cases never proceed to trial. Rather they are resolved with plea bargains to expedite convictions on reduced charges, to reduce the workload of prosecutors, and add to their list of cases won. There is little in the way of due process, as the easiest way to motivate someone to skip a trial by jury, and accept a plea deal, is to subject them to malicious prosecution, with multiple and redundant charges that could equal life in prison if they are found guilty.

 

Sad but true.

 

Too late. I already nominated your post. Is that okay?

 

How you do that ?

Splain Lucy !

(Ricky Ricardo of I Love Lucy - Sitcom; circa 1950s)

 

Lol!

There's a thread for best post of the month and another for best thread of the month.

 

Ohhhh.....

 

I'm not a fiscally conservative Constitutionalist, I'm just a regular "liberal" liberal but I find that I agree with the above statement.
A gun isn't a means to power or a boost to machismo, it's a useful tool, an appliance.
I happen to believe that in this modern era some more attention needs to be paid to demonstration of civic responsibility with regard to gun laws however the right to gun ownership by lawful citizens should be preserved as best as possible.

 

Yeah, it's in the announcements section. If you wanted to make a nomination, here is the link. There is one in that same section (announcements) for nominating a best thread too.

 

Good to know

 

Is that okay? I hope you aren't upset that I nominated your post. I thought it would be a compliment and I really liked the post and thought it was deserving of a nomination.

 

As the OP I second the nomination.

 

Here is where you go if you want to nominate it officially.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=459208

 

Give me a break. .
Having to use a gun means, ALL ELSE YOU DID FAILED. GUNS ARE LIKE NO OTHER TOOL. They reach out and kill people. That is nothing to be proud of, even in war time. If you are proud of your willingness to use a gun, you are sick.

 

10-day waits for pressure cookers.

 

Ban them! Ban hammers and screw drivers too!