Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between Taliban and USA

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf



This agreement is only four pages long. I thought maybe we could talk about the terms and conditions as set forth by former President Trump last year and finalized by President Biden with the last official date of exit being August 31, 2021.

Can we try to have a civil conversation about this? We're ALL Americans (and some of our global friends that care about what is happening on this side of the pond). This impacts us all.

 

The agreement calls for 5000 Taliban prisoners released. And for that provision we get
Under Trumps watch
No American soldiers attacked or killed
No road side bombs
1000 Afghan Military personnel released
13,000 American soldiers brought home
3 Military bases evacuated without Taliban intervention

Which was upheld for the last 18 months

Under Bidens watch
2500 Troops evacuated
1 air base evacuated
Refugees evacuated
Must be out by May 2021

So what went wrong?
Biden broke the agreement to push the evacuation date out to the 20th anniversary of 9/11 (Ever wonder why?)
The Taliban told Biden if he didn't honor the agreement they would start their seizure of Afghanistan
Which they did on May 1st
Biden ignored the threats and evacuated our air base 30 days before the embassy
Then got caught with his pants down and called for an emergency evacuation the same night the Taliban took over the city
Hence being forced to leave Americans and refugees to fend for themselves to get to the airport
Without Troop support
Without Air support
Without the embassy

That pretty much sums it up.

 

Nice summary.

 

The Taliban pretty much immediately broke their portion of the DOHA agreement and by June 2020 the Afghan forces had one of the most deadly days since the start of the war. The US didn’t include the leaders of the Afghan military and continued to release prisoners and pull our forces back.

While we definitely needed to abandon that place this should be a new lesson in why you do not negotiate with terrorists.

This was designed to be catastrophic but it was a last ditch attempt to get our soldiers home and for that I commend trump for getting it underway and Biden for following though with the withdrawal. Not allowing Afghan forces to be part of the agreement was a major error.

 

Or Biden could have just honored the agreement even if he did it in July without Taliban occupation.
So theres that.

 

What I read in that horrible agreement is a whole lot of concern for the state of the United States and absolutely no concern for our citizens who are there right now. Not enough thought was put into this

 

The only deaths came from ISIS — which had nothing to do with DOHA.
Do you believe ISIS would have honored the agreement had the withdrawal occurred the withdrawal in July?

All of the weapons would have still been left there, most of the equipment. It would have been less chaotic but the end result would have likely been similar imo.

 

Why don't we talk about the likelihood that, after they grow stronger and reestablish their government, the Taliban not going to harbor groups like Al Qaeda (or ISIL) who will wage attacks against the US and other Western countries.

They did it before. The question is is it in their DNA to do it again.

We might be making the mistake of assuming they are thinking logically or that their ideology is rational.

Just look at how they acted in the past, and even how they're acting now.

 

We had no exit plan for our citizens or the Afghans that helped up. No plan for disarming vehicles to be left behind. No evacuation procedure. And we didn’t even allow the government we had created to be involved with the negotiation.

 

Lots of silence from the left in this thread

 

We had no agreement with ISIS and he could have evacuated by then. He didn’t even take our machinery out of Afghanistan. You are going to tell me it takes 6 months just to tell the troops to pack their bags?

Edit: that’s no excuse however. Trumps crap plan was not worth the dog crap on my front lawn either. I’m a hawk on this and I don’t think we should have left at all. History will prove me right. I guarantee we will have to go back there and now fight a group with helicopters… great idea

 

I like the idea that the United States won't recognize the new Islamic state but they will ask them to make efforts on their part for us or we will go run, crying to the UN Security Council. Well, it looks like the Taliban didn't hold up their end, nor did we, so you know whatever.

 

The ISIS-K fighters were released from Bagram airfield by the Taliban when they occupied Kabul.
So 13 American warfighters are dead
150 Afghans dead
Hundreds of Americans still behind enemy lines
Because Biden wanted his 9/11 photo op

 

Nailed it.

 

The UN has already begun promising cash to the terrorist regime. Only stands to reason that the US will do the same (even though most of what the UN gives will be our cash too). Of course we'll call it 'peace talks' because that's how this dance goes but make no mistake this is 100% about money. But in the end another Islamic radical government will emerged, funded by the very nations they hate and end up attacking. What we sow today will be reaped by those in the near future when the next 9/11 happens, or the next prolonged war happens, or whatever.

 

Looking at prior conflicts the US typically leaves the equipment that is aging or not worth the return flight home. I agree the least we could have done is destroyed them. Many people are upset that we left stuff that we had given to the Afghan forces — that stuff no longer belonged to us.

I hope we never go back to that place with ground troops.

 

Do you have a source that the Taliban released ISIS prisoners from Bagram? I thought they were at war…
What photo op are you speaking of? We retreated, we didn’t “win”

 

They broke it before biden even came into office

 

Biden referred to the threat from Islamic State in an address to the nation on Friday, telling Americans that, "we're also keeping a close watch on any potential terrorist threat at or around the airport, including from the ISIS affiliates in Afghanistan who were released from prison when the prisons were emptied.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/politics/kabul-airport-terror-warning/index.html

Biden wanted to be cheered on as the president who got us out of Afghanistan and he set the 20th anniversary of 9/11 to do it. Had he done it according to Trumps plan, Biden wouldn't get credit for it.

 

Biden was warned to get out by May according to the agreement. Biden refused and ignored the advancing Taliban forces.
On May 1st the Taliban started their seizure of Afghanistan. Biden ignored them
Which caught everyone behind enemy lines on August 13, because Biden refused to leave until Sept 11.

 

They prolly will. But we don't need to occupy the country for eternity to protect ourselves from them.

 

That doesn’t say they were released from Bagram or that the Taliban did so — it simply says they were released from prison. It also doesn’t say those released were responsible for the attacks.

So just assumptions?

Biden would have gotten credit for ending everything despite the end date.
Not everything is a conspiracy to make your boy look bad.

 

If The Taliban has taken over Afghanistan, who would you think let them out. Please

This has nothing to do with Trump. Now your just reaching. Why would Biden try and extend the evacuation date to the 20th anniversary of 9/11?
You see no significance in that date what so ever. He just happened upon it? Stop it. Had he evacuated prior to Taliban occupation it would have gone the same as when Trump evacuated 3 military bases and 13,000 troops.

 

More here on Biden ignoring the agreement and the Taliban saying this would mean hostilities would begin again.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-bide...scow-taliban-11b6c90cdb3bb4f28334d1a9da74fddd

 

Yes they did. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/ We owed them nothing.