Ahmaud was murdered

I listened to both arguments, and the prosecutions arguments point to, in my opinion, the inescapable conclusion that the defendants are guilty of aggravated assault and murder.

All the gun advocates in America cite 'freedom'. I hear this all time from the second amendment advocates.

Well, what about Ahmaud's freedom to jog in a neighborhood without being killed by people with guns who assume he's committed a crime?

The only crime they absolutely knew he committed was misdemeanor trespassing. The facts of this case are clear.

That's it. Even then, they had no right to commit aggravated assault with their trucks and then corner him and shoot him. They had no right to do a citizen's arrest, because that would require, per GA law, knowledge and witness of an immediate crime, and they admitted they had no such knowledge.

If Ahmaud were white, would this have happened?

I don't think so.

What do you think?

Do you think the defendants, per the prosecutor's argument, are guilty of the charges in the indictment?

I say yes.

Second question, though not at issue, do you think there is a racial component to defendants' act?

I say yes.

 

I think this is an illegal attempted citizens arrest. Which isn't meaningfully different from attempted kidnapping. I dont believe death was part of the plan. I think they're guilty of negligent homicide in the process of committing another crime (kidnapping) with a deadly weapon. And if georgia is one of those states where this sort of negligent death can be upgraded to murder 1, well sucks to be them and I dont really agree with states doing that, but it aint my state and thats on the people that live there.

 

I would find them guilty based on what I have seen and heard but not because of race. These people were out looking for someone to arrest. Arbery was the only one they encountered apparently. Arbery did not attack the shooter. The shooter said so himself. It was not a case of self defense. It was a clear case of vigilantism. Murder it is from my perspective.

 

they hunted him like an animal. the guy went from jogging to running for his life . i predict a hung jury and more celebrations from the forum trumpists.

 

Of course you make it about race but here is a good takedown of the closing arguments which, BTW, would apply to any race.

 

I hope you’re wrong. It appears they clearly committed a violent killing without reason. No one should celebrate anything about this case, it’s a tragedy.

 

I think that Ahmaud was attacked by men he didn't know and he was in fear of his life. I think that if he had a gun and killed one of the men attacking him he would have not been charged with murder. As it was, he didn't, he was shot trying to grab the attackers gun for his own defense and was murdered.

 

Both the prosecution and defense have both stipulated he wasn’t out jogging. That was another media invention. Of course you think this is about politics but it’s about the law.

 

I don't really follow these trials but was wondering are these trials televised? I see a lot of threads talking about this and the Rittenhouse trial? Is there a channel or web stream that shows complete coverage of these trials or are people just watching video clips on Youtube etc...

 

if ahmaud had been carrying a gun and used it he would be the one on trial and the verdict would be a lock.

 

YouTube participants streamed both live. Rittenhouse got all the media attention. The Arbery case is still active but has gotten little media attention.

 

I don't know much about the trial but in this instance it does appear that they went after him unjustly, and aggressed on him. He was allowed to defend himself and was shot for doing so.

Now...again. I haven't looked into this one because I've been consumed by the Rittenhouse debacle. But so far that appears to me to be the case.

 

These men are guilty of murder. They clearly went after Ahmaud to intimidate him but it escalated to a killing. They should have called the police. Was it racial -- maybe, maybe not. They might have done the same thing to a white suspicious person.
They are guilty, but I also add Kyle Rittenhouse was not guilty. I mention that to show I go by the videos and the evidence.

 

You wish. I'm convinced liberals are happiest in a world like that.

 

Thanks for the info. Does this only happen for high profile cases? I am surprise no company is trying to monetize this given the interest.

 

With YouTube there could be some monitization.

 

I'm curious why you propose that whether or not "there is a racial component to the defendant's act" is "not at issue."

 

Because the neighborhood had thefts and one had video of Arbery looking through a construction site he had no business in (a misdemeanor). That the defendants violated a number of laws trying to illegally detain Arbery and killing him during a struggle is up to the court. What does race have to do with that?

 

Court TV is pretty good (and free) for live stream and a lot of old trials as well. I love it, it is fascinating to see a trial unfold.

Court TV is kind of agenda driven in their analysis though, or at least they were in the Rittenhouse case. It would be nice if the "legal experts" could just explain the legalese stuff and leave the interpretation of the facts to the audience.

 

Apologies, but given your refusal to state your position regarding whether or not you would advise a 17 year old to attend the scene of a potential riot I am going to have to abstain from now answering your question. You can watch me debate this with Patricio should he choose to engage with my question to him.

 

Grab your marbles and angrily stomp your way home because you didn’t get your way.

 

Not really a matter of whether or not I got my way, you simply refuse to answer a simple question: would you have advised Kyle to go to Kenosha that night, yes or no? You can answer here if you like.

 

Not answering stupid and irrelevant questions. You must think his mother advised him to go and carry a gun. Proof?

 

Would you have advised Kyle to go to Kenosha that night? Yes or No?

 

Is that what you think his mother did?