Alec Baldwin kills one,inures another with Prop Gun on set.

The way I understand it the actors or crew were shooting for fun during downtime. Someone correct me if that is incorrect.

This is not acceptable though. There is no other situation where this would be acceptable. Shoot houses used with simunutions (non lethal training rounds) by LE and military and sometimes civilians are strictly controlled—NO live ammo anywhere in the vicinity. Same with any other similar use of firearms. When the “activity” is intentional pointing of a weapon at someone you don’t wish to harm there is NEVER live ammunition present.

Conversely, when live ammunition IS present weapons are NEVER pointed anywhere but downrange in a safe direction and the finger doesn’t touch the trigger until on target. NEVER at something you don’t wish to destroy.

None of the “reasons” given in this thread for excusing this accident are reasons. They are excuses for incomprehensible incompetence. Live rounds never have to be on set. Rounds indistinguishable from live rounds NEVER have to be on sets where actual pointing of a weapon at another is necessary for filming.

 

The armorer, the person whose FULL TIME JOB it is to make sure that all guns are safe handed the gun to Baldwin and told him the weapon was "cold" or unable to harm anyone. Baldwin HAD to point the gun directly at the lens in the course of making the scene.

There has been an ongoing dispute as to whether movies should use blanks, with real noise and flame or digitize the effect, since it is said that even good actors cannot react realistically enough to someone shouting "bang" instead of an actual firearm going off. I think that contretemps is settled now.

Of course all the right wingers here want Baldwin convicted of first degree premeditated murder since being liberal he commits murder every day when he has his morning breakfast of bacon and baby, the youngster being torn from the arms of its mother he has just raped to make its consumption more toothsome to his Satanic sensibilities

Seriously people, this is a real tragedy involving real people, the vindictiveness being displayed by conservatives here is no less disgusting for its being so expected from them.

 

Rules are for Trump supporters.

 

Absolutely WRONG - whomever the person responsible for gun safety is, is OBVIOUSLY not qualified for the position. Probably affirmative action...

 

In one of the early stories about this incident it was said that the armorer was insecure and not sure she was up to the job.

 

I have been handling guns since I was 14-years old. It is the person with the gun in their hands that is responsible for the safe use of the gun, and that is all there is to it. The so-called armorer is no more than an accessory before the fact.

The arguments defending Alec are showing how far America has fallen, morally, as a society, wherein the defense of a killer is based solely on the killer's political philosophies.

 

Yes. must be affirmative action, which fits the alt-right "persecuted / oppressed white people" agenda.

Here is her picture of the armorer, - Hannah Reed. Her father was a well qualified armored from big films, but this kid had already been fired from other movies for her mistakes.

Those rounds in the belt would should be look-alike rounds, but she probably used live ones.




"As an armorer on film sets, Hannah Gutierrez Reed often encountered cast and crew members who were scared of guns. But the part of her work she most relished was helping to shift that narrative, showing the world that “guns are awesome.”

 

In reality the people making these movies are largely anti gun and have no clue what the safety measures are or why. That is why the producers should make sure the people who are responsible for preparation for these shooting scenes are qualified to hand an actor a prop that is not going to kill when it is used in the scene. Baldwin cocked that gun, pointed it at the woman and pulled the trigger and that is what he is responsible for but it was failed procedures that made it all possible.

 

I read about that too but this was not the first job she had as an armorer.

I found this
https://www.careersinfilm.com/armorer/

It seems the biggest challenge is to stay alert and fight boredom

 

They should hire older people for that, it's what we do.

 

Are you responsible if the brakes on the car you're driving fail after being worked on by a trusted mechanic? That IS basically what happened here and Baldwin is being castigated for it almost entirely because he is a well-known opponent of the Bronze God and for NO other reason

 

YES, you ARE. Just ask the police and your insurance company. YOU are responsible for the SAFETY of your vehicle.

YOU can sue your mechanic if you want, but the dead person's family is going to sue YOU.

 

So? If I can defend that I wasn't the responsible party I'll get off. It takes $8 to sue someone

 

I'm not the one saying Baldwin isn't a "genuine American" and therefore must have just decided to murder the woman for his own amusement that day.

 

Ask your insurance company, but be prepared to be disappointed...

You would have to prove that your mechanic KNOWINGLY did something wrong.

Prove it.

In court reality is not just what you want to believe - like it is on the internet...

 

It is an egregious misconception that anti-gun people have "no clue" as to what firearm safety measures are. IMO a majority of gun advocates have nothing like the respect for firearm safety they should. I regard a firearm as even more dangerous than most poisonous snakes for snakes are generally terrified of people and will try not to bite you under any circumstance (I in fact once stepped on a copperhead snake and I felt it do nothing but slither away. My cat will scratch me rather badly if I do that) whereas guns are inanimate objects and can only do what people make them

 

So no one has to prove that I KNOWINGLY went driving with bad brakes?

 

Which is why it's so important to know what you are doing when you handle them. Same with a copperhead.

 

Well, with actors being the exception. They get to play with guns without knowing anything or being responsible for their actions. They be “special”.

/s

 

You could be held liable if you changed your brakes yourself and did it wrong, or neglected to maintain your car in the first place.

Anyone can sue anyone in US, but the family is far more likely to go after the big money aka the manufacturer or the mechanic, especially if the maintenance was done in one of the big chains. Incorrect installation of brakepads is not hard to prove, and missing pads is even easier, and the mechanic shop would be liable, which tends to compare to the Baldwin case.

If he did it knowingly, then we'd be talking about a serious crime. Likewise, if the armored knowingly put a live round in Baldwins gun, then she'd be facing serious criminal charges.

 

Correct. Its your vehicle, YOU are responsible for it - not "someone else."

 

If YOU are driving your car and the brake pads are missing, trust me, YOU are liable.

 

One of the reasons I really admire Richard Dean Anderson (he played "MacGyver) would not do scenes that required his character to use a gun. At the time, it was said that he didn't want MacGyver fans thinking that he's glorifying violence. Totally agree.

And, this issue is one of the many reasons I have concerns about 2A. I realize it's a Constitutional right but, clearly, legislation is not keeping up with the times and countless people are "falling through the cracks" in a dysfunctional mental health system. Those are recipes for disasters.

 

You could say the same thing about Father Knows Best vs. glorifying what TV glorifies today.

I'll take Father Knows Best.

Also - you are not allowed to talk about dysfunctional people with mental health problems in public anymore because it offends them.

 

Sorry, but I do not trust you, because I know that a mechanic can be held liable for installing breaks incorrectly. As a matter of fact they can even end up in prison.

WHEN IS A MECHANIC LIABLE?
If a mechanic fails to provide reasonable care, it’s essential to highlight the misdemeanors that increased the odds of getting in an accident. A mechanic that commits to repair your car has the responsibility to do it professionally and guarantee safety. Mechanics can be liable for a Florida car crash if they install the wrong parts or fail to perform the right procedures for specific repairs.

A Florida car crash attorney can determine whether the accident was a result of negligence during the brake repair service. A mechanic that misdiagnosed a problem or ignored key red flags may be fined or jailed. The injured party should be compensated to cater for hospital bills, pain suffering, and damage to the vehicle.

https://boddenbennettlaw.com/can-a-...-for-a-florida-car-crash-how-do-you-prove-it/