America Has The Richest Poor In The World

Why not be moral enough to just say no to hypocrisy and legalize drugs?

 

Why is there any homelessness at all, in any Right to Work State?

 

So you count people as being "poor" because they do not have enough nice toys? Sorry, but I find that absolutely disgusting.

How about the poor in most areas of the world. Where they consider themselves lucky to have a wooden shack, as opposed to having a cardboard box or nothing.

I read posts like that, and it absolutely disgusts me. And excuse me for getting political here (something I rarely do), but I find liberals absolutely disgusting with their obsession with material things.

"Ohh boo-hoo=hoo, look at this poor child. He does not have an X-box or internet!"

Who the freak cares? Does he have a roof over his head and food? Why not? Well, what are his parents doing? Oh, mom is buying cigarettes and pot. And dad is nowhere to be found. Yet they get free housing, and food stamps.

Maybe mom needs some parenting classes, and to get her freaking priorities straight.

I would love to take some of the freaking cry-baby "Liberals" to some of the places I have been. Then I can show them real poverty. 3 families living in an abandoned bus on the side of the road, cooking rats for food. Children begging on the streets, while their parents dig through the trash for anything they can eat or sell for food.People living in a tent in the middle of the desert (I am not talking US 100 degree desert, I am talking about 130+ degree desert), where they have to walk 2-3 miles just to get water. And electricity is something they only see at night from the town, they have never experienced it for themselves.

That is real poverty. As I said, in real poverty, children get rickets, and death by malnutrition is a daily occurance. Here in the US, the biggest problem we seem to have with those in poverty is obesity.

 

I didn't call them poor, Heritage did (based on US Census, they say).

So that makes it OK that millions of Americans go hungry to you?

No. According the Hertigate report data I cited in my post, millions of Americans go hungry and are homeless.

I appreciate as a conservative, you do not care that millions of Americans go hungry or homeless.

I do care. That is why I am proud to be a liberal and not a conservative.

Sorry that disgusts you.

 

Very nice.

Now tell me, have you ever been homeless? Have you ever had to make do with 1 meal a day? Have you ever been reduced to your possessions all fitting into a small backpack?

I have. So tell me again how many are homeless.

Or better yet, why not do what I have done for years. Instead of whine about the problem, do something about it. There are more then likely food banks near where you live. Volunteer some time with them. Or get some people together from your work, bowling league, or church and sponsor food and clothing at a homeless shelter or "soup kitchen".

If you care about the kids so much, there are the Boys & Girls Clubs, as well as "Big Brother and Big Sister" programs. They are always looking for volunteers.

Spend some time with them. Instead of simply whining about the problem, why not actually go out and do something about it.

This is one of the things that sickens me the most. People whine and cry and complain, but refuse to do a single thing about it other then throw around accusations as to what the cause is. If you care so much, then give up some of your time to see what you can do to help solve the problem.

I volunteer a couple of hundred hours a year to our local Boys & Girls club of El Paso. I also volunteer time with the Rescue Mission of El Paso, as well as the Dame la Mano shelter.

What have you done? And I mean actually gone out and done to help people who are homeless?

I bet nothing. Yet you dare to claim that I do not care.

Oh, and this is something I have done for decades. I can give you the locations of shelters I have given time to, from Lancaster and Long Beach California, to Dothan Alabama and here in El Paso. This is something I have tried to do something about for a long time now.

When was the last time you have been to a shelter? When was the last time you tried to help do something about the problem? When was the last time you stepped into a housing project?

Like most "Limousine Liberals", I bet never.

 

Good question. I suppose that if they told the truth they'd lose the money they grab.

 

So when you say the poor or the middle class shouldn't have to accept things as they are, are you suggesting they take inspiration from the successful in life by striving to be the best they can, or are you suggesting they engage in class warfare by belittling the rich and or sucessful? You need to come clear on your position here.

 

I think that may be a misconception among many. In my opinon, we may be better off with a recreational drug category that includes alcohol and tobacco.

 

It that right, Mr. "Who the freak cares"? Anyone can make up anything on the internet.

 

To give an illustrative example of where this country is heading, I was visiting Raleigh, NC the other week and the business happens to be in the BB&T building downtown (which also includes the bankruptcy court on the 6th floor).

Traveling down the elevator, it stopped on the 6th floor and several people (couples, some with lawyers, some without) stepped in from the bankruptcy filing.

It was ironic that the young couple next to me (with a huge file of bills and other paperwork in a folder to document the bankruptcy filing), both pulled out iPhone 4's and started texting/checking messages. Priorities seem to be lost on some in this country.

 

Translation, you have done nothing. Thank you very much.

No action from yourself, no involvement. And then try to accuse others of lying. Very nice.

 

I'm sure, given your statement "Who the freak cares" about the poor, that you devote yourself to helping them. I frequently find people I've worked with helping the poor expressing "who the freak cares" about them like you do.

 

Honestly, I do not "care about the poor". And yes, I will readily admit that. I help people, other then that I do not care much.

And to be honest, I also do not care much about helping the poor, because in my experience, most of them are leeches. Most make horrible life choices, and even if given $2,000 a month, they would still be poor and on the verge of being homeless. Simply because of their life choices.

But I also meet others that want to improve their lives, and will do what they can to get out of the situation they are in and improve themselves. These are the ones I am really interested in helping.

This is one reason why most of my effort has gone to things like the Girls and Boys club. These are children, who are in the situation through no fault of their own. And I hope that whatever I do can help them make the right decisions in the future.

Also I work with Dame la Mano for the same reason. A lot of these women were victims of violence, so hopefully by helping them out, I can help them and their children get a fresh start in life.

However, I generally do not volunteer myself to work at the generic "rescue missions". This is where you are much more likely to find those that are chronically homeless. You can basically say they are institutionalized to living in the street. And most really have no interest in improving their condition.

When I was living on the street in Long Beach, there was a lot of effort put out to helping those that are homeless. There was a mental health clinic that gave free assistance to those with mental issues. You also had a large Salvation Army shelter nearby, and they were always trying to help those with dependency issues. Also a year round shelter and a large seasonal shelter.

And I saw the same people going in and out of the same shelters for years. In LA there is actually a "circuit" of shelters like Long Beach Rescue, Bell, Union Rescue, and others. Since people cound not stay at any one shelter for more then 90 days, they would simply move from shelter to shelter. These are the people I have no interest in helping, because they do not want help, just more free food and a place to sleep.

I think you have never been poor, and do not know what it is like. Eating ramen noodles because that is all you can afford till next payday. Walking to the store because you can't afford the gas. Leaving your car on the side of the road because you can't afford to fix it.

I have done all of those things, but I never stopped trying. If you wanna know why I don't care much about the poor, it is because I have been there several times, and each time got myself out of that situation again. And I simply can't see why other's can't do the same thing.

Oh wait, yes I can. Because sadly many have the "gimmie" attitude, and far to many just want to reach into my wallet and pull out money to give to them.

 

I can't disprove this statement but don't believe it is true. I'm certain that the poor in USA are better off than in the vast majority of the world (because the USA is much richer than average). I would suspect that the poor may be better off in a few other countries. Norway comes to mind since it is richer per capita than USA.

 

Trump bankrupted for millions, think he gave up his limo service?

 

It is the nature of people to think that their method of prospering is the only way to achieve personal gain. A large percentage of America does not function for whatever reason in a capitalistic system. Yet they are still Americans and we expect them to function. Don't get me wrong, I like (true) capitalism because I do well in it and it serves those with personal responsibility. But it also serves those with poor social responsibility and creates the abomination we call "capitalism" here in the US. Right now we are paying $5 a gallon for gas not because there is a supply issue, but because a bunch of commodity traders and hedge-fund traders thought it would be a good idea to manipulate the market. Iran didn't threaten to close the straits of Hormuz because they would (they can't), they did it to watch us destroy our own economy in these individual acts of treason we call "trading" when in fact it is just a form of insider trading, unregulated and ultimately bad for America. In this way we are letting Iran win this debate.

 

Absolute nonsense.

The wealth inequality in the US.. is of almost third world proportions.

The poor in Europe are much better off than those in the US.

 

Different situation. Not saying it is better or worse, but definitely different. Trump used the bankruptcy protections to renegotiate the debt, postpone the payments, and in turn gave up ownership equity in the properties.

What ownership did this couple give up?

This is like the people who took out 2nd mortgages on homes they purchased with no money down to buy vacations, diamonds and other goods they couldn't afford. Then when the housing market corrects, blames the lender?

There is no personal accountability.

 

Bankruptcy is the same with everyone. Why no outrage when Trump maintains his millions after gambling investors money away? Where's the outrage when bankers and mortgage lenders gambled trillions of our away? It's OK because they are smarter than you? It's OK because they are still rich and you hope to be someday? Sounds like you drank the GOP koolaid.

 

That was yesterday. You now have people tossed out of their homes and begging on your streets.

They may as well be in Somalia.

 

Typical, instead of discuss my post, you are trying to argue a different point. I specifically stated that Trump's corporate bankruptcy protection was no better, but you won't discuss the fact that there is zero individual accountability with a large sector of our population.

Apparently, you are one of those that blames everyone else instead of the actual individual, for example:

- blame the food companies when you are obese
- blame the bank when you borrow more than you can pay
- blame the company when you don't do your job

Sad, because it isn't the "GOP", "Teaparty" or any specific party or group that is trying to get you. Your success is dependent upon you, but often it easier to simply blame others.

Lastly, and back to my post, let's blame Apple, it is obviously an evil company for making these 2 buy the phones and plans when they can't afford them.

 

I am successful and I live a good life. There is zero accountability in the financial industry, while I have only worked in the Insurance part of it I have had access to banking and lending. My brother was a large contractor and worked with large developers such as KB. All of these entities routinely use other peoples money to gamble on large ventures with no exposure to the individuals handling the accounts, in fact they make money if their clients lose. All I ask is that they have some skin in the game. You complain that the average Joe does not show personal responsibility. Fair enough, pile all the money that is lost to the types you saw at the BK courthouse. What does the pile look like compared the the mountain of money the financial institutions lost. All I'm really saying is if you took your justified anger out at the folks who really got us into this mess maybe a trickle down responsibility effect might happen. Just as an aside, think about the moronic Banks that issued those credit cards to those individuals that BK'ed--what were they thinking? They took your hard earned money and loaned it to a bunch of irresponsible jerks. maybe you should focus your attention on the one institution that could do something about this mess-the banks.

 

Really?

From the OP link

 

So they got a up close and personl view of all that hope and change sweeping the nation eh?

Or is this more of the left's typical hand ringing and over the top exaggeration?

 

Yea, just chack out most of your posts