America Is Superior | Change My Mind

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  1. Polydectes

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    I guess he didn't get the memo. The Russian conspiracy is dead we are into separating families.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Or go to antifa riots and become a meme. :banana:
     
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    A democracy is two wolves and s sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

    We have an electoral collage that isn't people voting on your behalf. The reason it's there is so that New York and LA don't rule our country. In direct democracy places worn higher population rule and rural areas have no chance.

    Electoral set up sounds better to me.

    Well betting a republic is better because our country isn't ruled by elected dictators but by the constitution.

    Creating laws protecting rights from government infringement means we aren't subject to the will of the leader.

    And we have many parties.
     
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    Please provide some sources to support that claim.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The idea that the U.S. is the 10th worst place for women to live on the planet is a farce.

    Abortion is murder, but I am not passionate on that issue. It saddens more than angers me.
     
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    You may be right about that. There was a definite end in the 1990's, but it seems to have somewhat picked up again. At least the Russians have dropped the commie thing.
     
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    What changed my mind about American "superiority" was when your beloved BLOTUS was imposed upon our nation.

    Obviously our election system is grossly INFERIOR since it allowed this travesty of democracy.

    That we have the "finest Congress that MONEY CAN BUY" is another example of why our nation is no longer superior.

    But most of all we are now INFERIOR because of how we ABUSE those less fortunate than ourselves.

    The wealthy 1% have stripmined the middle class and the poor in order to line their own bulging pockets.

    We have ABDUCTED small children and INCARCERATED them without any attempt to provide them with the love and care that they both need and deserve.

    So on all levels, political, economic and moral America has become an INFERIOR nation.

    It is sad that we have sunk this low but I believe in We the People and our opportunity to turn around this descent into 3rd world status is coming in November. I am encouraged to see Ms Cortez, Lt Col McGrath, Cynthia Nixon, Stacy Abrams and so many more like them stepping up to the plate. They are the hope that I have for the change this nation has been denied for far too long now.
     
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    And you include that for tobacco and alcohol, which cause more deaths than all illegal drugs combined?​
     
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    Statistics show that US is not the most fantastic place to live in this world.

    But you probably consider statistics a leftist thing.
     
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    That is just not true. They would have immediately asked Bush for military help. Europeans can't fight wars without the help of America.
     
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    Geeze, I'm getting tired of that accusation: America is ripping babies out of the arms of mothers. This has been said many times before but mamacita wouldn't have to be separated from her children if she went through the proper immigration channels. But she doesn't. She sneaks across. Why? Because, we are told, where she is from it;s such a hell-hole and so violent and dysfunctional. Now we are being invaded and before long before our country will look like their country.
     
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    Please provide sources for that claim.
     
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    Heh, that's humorous. Especially when you consider that many European countries exceed the U.S. in smaller income equality gaps, life expectancy rates, managing external debt, human development, employment rating, home ownership, educational scores in math, reading and science, freedom of the press and Global Peace rankings.
     
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    That is demonstrably false. But then, you get your thinking from clowns who bluster while wearing silly hats on television.
     
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    Did you actually see any of those countries, or is your worldly experience confined to comparing the base facilites and Px's of various US military facilities.

    I often find that when I talk to veterans who claim extensive international travel, that they rarely ventured off base, and learned next to nothing about the places they visited.
     
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    No. I'd never trade my vote here for a chance to vote in the States.

    It's not WHY you have it. It's that the system needs to be reformed. Anonymous people DO vote on your behalf. Let's lay it out: Your state has an electoral college. The number of electors is the same number as your members of congress. So far so good. The voters of your state vote directly for the name of your presidential candidate on the ballot. OK that's fair. Then the electors (who are human beings whose names and faces are not disclosed to the public) who are the middle men cast votes for the President based on the wishes of the voters. OK fine. They are EXPECTED to respect the wishes of the voters but don't HAVE TO. Now we have a problem (look up faithless electors).

    Why are these anonymous people allowed to go against the wishes of their state voters? There needs to be a law put in place forcing the electors to vote according to the will of the voters in their state as well as have their names and faces revealed so that people can know if they are trustworthy individuals. Just because the system has "always worked" does not mean the flaws don't have to be addressed.
     
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    Then why are we having so much trouble keeping invaders out?
     
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    I do think the US is the greatest country on earth. I don't yell ugly Americanism or wave my flag over it.

    We are the best in many ways, although we are repudiating much of what the world has admired us for since the dawn of Trumpism. We are not champions of human rights, rising world prosperity, research and development, or policies that advance humankind.

    This is a stunning and near total reversal of the tradition of American leadership that began with the signing of the Atlantic Charter in 1941.

    Trump has repudiated the legacy of Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt, and is racing to dismantle the world order that my father and millions of others fought for in WWII.

    Dispite all this, we are still a country that most of the world would like to look to for global leadership.

    Unfortunately, the current management is not interested.
     
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    Do you have real examples of this faithless electors changing how the people of a State vote? The system works as it is supposed to.
     
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    Since WW2 global leadership has meant the US military guards everyone's hen house. That has focused American tax dollars to maintain a military system capable of doing that. Probably the biggest service provided by that military has been to keep the Germans, French and English from engulfing the world in another world war.
     
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    Saw them.
     
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    It's not weather it works or not. It's the principle of fairness and the fact that theoretically the electors can overturn the outcome. Dismissing it as "the system works, therefore there is no problem" is not convincing for me. Faithless electors need to be punished when they go against the wishes of the voters in their state even if their single vote was not enough to overturn the result.
     
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    It meant that hte United States has three quarters of the planet in its sphere of influence, leaving the Russians with Eastern Europe and China, with.....China.

    Trump is agressively moving to throw that away.

    Since French and British didn't start the last world war, it's hard to figure where that nonsense came from. But it is the kind of idiotic claim that isolationists who know nothing about the world or history make.

    Our fathers and grandfathers understood that quiitting and retreating into isolationism was one of the main reasons they found themselves going off to fight in a world war.

    You, and your ilk, don't seem to recognize that obvious lesson of history.

    And therefore, you are doomed to bequeath that threat to your children.

    Of course, if the United States wants to quit the world, we can save a lot of money on the military. All we need is a tiny army and a coastal defense navy.

    So we can radically cut military spending, shore up our infrastructure, and stabilize medicare and social security.
     
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    Which is more than europeans have.
     
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